M113K in E500 4Matic Wagon
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2005 e55 4 matic wagon
E55 4 matic
Sorry to bring back a old tread. I wanted to accept the challenge of the swap I love my w211 4 matic wagon. I have a m113k engine, harness and ecu. I have lower and upper oil pans out. The 2 oil pumps are very different. Any ideas how or what he did to make a oil pump work with the 4 matic pan? Thanks in advance
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Joined: Jun 2019
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From: New york
2005 e55 4 matic wagon
E55 4 matic
Sorry to bring back a old tread. I wanted to accept the challenge of the swap I love my w211 4 matic wagon. I have a m113k engine, harness and ecu. I have lower and upper oil pans out. The 2 oil pumps are very different. Any ideas how or what he did to make a oil pump work with the 4 matic pan? Thanks in advance
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2004 e500
Sorry to bring back a old tread. I wanted to accept the challenge of the swap I love my w211 4 matic wagon. I have a m113k engine, harness and ecu. I have lower and upper oil pans out. The 2 oil pumps are very different. Any ideas how or what he did to make a oil pump work with the 4 matic pan? Thanks in advance
Did you ever find out?
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1999 E430
55wagon
I have a doner car now but I dint have much time to hold onto it. I personally need the list of electronics and items needed to do this swap. I’m contemplating on keeping it 4matic but I’m not opposed to making it rwd either.
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From: New york
2005 e55 4 matic wagon
Its very complicated. Mechanical and electrical are completely different. Even the body harness isn't the same. My swap is 90 percent complete. It runs and drives. Pulls extremely hard. The electronic part is still being worked on. It is possible to do the swap but very hard to list everything you would need.
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W220 S500 2003 4Matic & W140 1998 S600 V12
I understand that it's not the easiest to do but essentially what has been a challenge that wasn'T plug and play?
(given you have brought an ECU with its EIS and key? In my C32 the rear sam controls the cooling pump so I guess the SAMs have to be swiped too, anything else that come to mind?
(given you have brought an ECU with its EIS and key? In my C32 the rear sam controls the cooling pump so I guess the SAMs have to be swiped too, anything else that come to mind?
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From: New york
2005 e55 4 matic wagon
Nothing was really plug and play for me.. it might be different for u because u have a whole donor car which is sweet.. Unfortunately I didn't have a whole car. I bought a engine, harness and ME. That's all I could get from the donor as it had been crushed. I had to virginize the ME and then do a teach in. I'm still having trouble with my abs and esp module. My purge valve circuit is also different And the CAN bus wires are different from the AMG. If I had to guess u would need all the modules related to starting or anti theft. EIS, ABS, ESP, ME, front and rear sam, tranny module, shifter assembly. Body harness (it is different) and engine harness. And keys.. On top of all the coolers, plumbing and fuel system.
My way does work but it isn't 100 percent yet. If ur keeping the 4 matic system it's well worth it. 😉 either way. Ur lucky because u have a whole car at ur reach. There's so much involved it would be hard to list every step with out doing a full write up.
If I get the time I might be able to. But for now ask away.
My way does work but it isn't 100 percent yet. If ur keeping the 4 matic system it's well worth it. 😉 either way. Ur lucky because u have a whole car at ur reach. There's so much involved it would be hard to list every step with out doing a full write up.
If I get the time I might be able to. But for now ask away.
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2002 CL500 to CL55 conversion
I will be doing a similar project on a e500 wagon I found for $500, and see if in a weekend I can’t install the
-kompressor
along with the proper
-crank pulley
-intercooler (oem intercooler is lame in my opinion but it’s cheap and pre-made )
-heat exchanger
-010 ic pump
-s/c belt
-s/c tensioner
-k block water pump/thermostat housing
-aux coolant tank
-piggyback ecu for running speed density instead of MAF setup
-k injectors/rail
I am debating whether it’s worth it to use an analog output from the piggyback ecu for the supercharger clutch. Or go clutchless altogether. I am fairly certain I will be blocking off the bypass valve for simplicity of the circuit and may have to look into the e55 fuel pump to feed the Kompressor on the e500 motor.
otherwise I am also considering a slightly larger supercharger pulley to reduce boost compared to an oem m113k, for reliability
-kompressor
along with the proper
-crank pulley
-intercooler (oem intercooler is lame in my opinion but it’s cheap and pre-made )
-heat exchanger
-010 ic pump
-s/c belt
-s/c tensioner
-k block water pump/thermostat housing
-aux coolant tank
-piggyback ecu for running speed density instead of MAF setup
-k injectors/rail
I am debating whether it’s worth it to use an analog output from the piggyback ecu for the supercharger clutch. Or go clutchless altogether. I am fairly certain I will be blocking off the bypass valve for simplicity of the circuit and may have to look into the e55 fuel pump to feed the Kompressor on the e500 motor.
otherwise I am also considering a slightly larger supercharger pulley to reduce boost compared to an oem m113k, for reliability
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From: New york
2005 e55 4 matic wagon
On my m113k 4matic swap I have a block off plate on the bypass valve and a clutch less pulley. 72mm. Worked out great. Just a heads up on putting the supercharger on a m113. U need to swap the timing cover over from the m113k. The area that holds ur secondary air pump will interfere with the supercharger snout. Also u won't have the super charger tensioner bracket which is part of the water pump. Idk if u can just swap over a water pump.
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From: Holt, FL
2004 Crossfire (w/M113K), 2008 Crossfire (w/M156), 2008 ML63, 2018 AMG GT
When you get an aftermarket replacement water pump for an M113K, you really get one for a M113. You may need to tap one or two holes for the supercharger tensioner mounting. I have done this exact thing without issue.
Last edited by nemiro; Apr 22, 2022 at 02:06 PM.
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2002 CL500 to CL55 conversion
On my m113k 4matic swap I have a block off plate on the bypass valve and a clutch less pulley. 72mm. Worked out great. Just a heads up on putting the supercharger on a m113. U need to swap the timing cover over from the m113k. The area that holds ur secondary air pump will interfere with the supercharger snout. Also u won't have the super charger tensioner bracket which is part of the water pump. Idk if u can just swap over a water pump.
otherwise the water pump should have all of the mounting points necessary for the idler and blower tensioner
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2002 CL500 to CL55 conversion
On my m113k 4matic swap I have a block off plate on the bypass valve and a clutch less pulley. 72mm. Worked out great. Just a heads up on putting the supercharger on a m113. U need to swap the timing cover over from the m113k. The area that holds ur secondary air pump will interfere with the supercharger snout. Also u won't have the super charger tensioner bracket which is part of the water pump. Idk if u can just swap over a water pump.
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From: New york
2005 e55 4 matic wagon
I swap the ecu for the m113k. Had the identity erased and my vin coded in. Then I just had to teach in the drive authorization.
also depending on what body u get the ecu from the CAN wires have to be moved to the correct pin. I have a 2004 e500 4matic. When I swap everything over I had no communication with the ECU. Found the can wire location to be different. My ecu came from a 2005 cls55.
also depending on what body u get the ecu from the CAN wires have to be moved to the correct pin. I have a 2004 e500 4matic. When I swap everything over I had no communication with the ECU. Found the can wire location to be different. My ecu came from a 2005 cls55.
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2002 CL500 to CL55 conversion
I have finished the e55 Ecu swap on my e500 wagon with intercooler system, amg supercharger. Have not tackled the fuel pumps yet. I have noticed now that I have swapped ecu’s, the e500 fuel pump no longer receives 12v to power on. The plan is e55 oem dual pumps, maybe upgraded e55 dual pumps with walbros or something for a e85/93 blend…
But seems I need to develop custom relays/harnesses, wondering if anyone has good tips for what worked for them
But seems I need to develop custom relays/harnesses, wondering if anyone has good tips for what worked for them
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'62 220SEx2, '65 250SE, '85 380SL, '99 CLK430
I will be doing a similar project on a e500 wagon I found for $500, and see if in a weekend I can’t install the
-kompressor
along with the proper
-crank pulley
-intercooler (oem intercooler is lame in my opinion but it’s cheap and pre-made )
-heat exchanger
-010 ic pump
-s/c belt
-s/c tensioner
-k block water pump/thermostat housing
-aux coolant tank
-piggyback ecu for running speed density instead of MAF setup
-k injectors/rail
I am debating whether it’s worth it to use an analog output from the piggyback ecu for the supercharger clutch. Or go clutchless altogether. I am fairly certain I will be blocking off the bypass valve for simplicity of the circuit and may have to look into the e55 fuel pump to feed the Kompressor on the e500 motor.
otherwise I am also considering a slightly larger supercharger pulley to reduce boost compared to an oem m113k, for reliability
-kompressor
along with the proper
-crank pulley
-intercooler (oem intercooler is lame in my opinion but it’s cheap and pre-made )
-heat exchanger
-010 ic pump
-s/c belt
-s/c tensioner
-k block water pump/thermostat housing
-aux coolant tank
-piggyback ecu for running speed density instead of MAF setup
-k injectors/rail
I am debating whether it’s worth it to use an analog output from the piggyback ecu for the supercharger clutch. Or go clutchless altogether. I am fairly certain I will be blocking off the bypass valve for simplicity of the circuit and may have to look into the e55 fuel pump to feed the Kompressor on the e500 motor.
otherwise I am also considering a slightly larger supercharger pulley to reduce boost compared to an oem m113k, for reliability
I am concerned the E500 engine is a high compression engine. you would have to def lower the boost of the Supercharger because serious detonation would occur
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From: Dayton, OH
2005 E500 4matic Wagon
I have an e55 supercharger bolted onto my e500 wagon 5.0L. I put e55 cams and fuel injectors in, but still running the stock fuel pump. I drive the hell out of the car, autocross and dragrace it. I'm over 2000 miles in with no sign of issues or drop in horsepower. True to its reputation, the m113 seems indestructible. My badging says"E50" to pay homage to the AMG two digit scheme but not pretend to be something it's not.
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Damn thats nice, donyou have a instagram or facebook were you post pictures and videos? Im in the process of gettin the more information to decide wich is better between fully m113k swap or just slap the kompressor on the 5.0? I have a 04 E500 wagon too!
