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Originally posted by mikE55
The NA 5.5 AMG engine is heavier than the 5.0, the Supercharger adds even more weight. Add the beefed up supension, brakes and wheels, and that all spells more weight.
Don't mean to start a weight debate here, but R&T's Aug. '03 0-100-0 issue tested the new E55 again and listed the "test weight" as 4390 lbs. So if MB's claimed curb weight of 4087lbs is true, it must be for a car with no options and no driver (every driver's weight will be different anyway, so that can't be included in curb weight). Either way, the E55 is one heavy beast. But it's still the heavy weight champ of the world, with a killer knock out punch!
The NA 5.5 AMG engine is heavier than the 5.0, the Supercharger adds even more weight. Add the beefed up supension, brakes and wheels, and that all spells more weight.
Don't mean to start a weight debate here, but R&T's Aug. '03 0-100-0 issue tested the new E55 again and listed the "test weight" as 4390 lbs. So if MB's claimed curb weight of 4087lbs is true, it must be for a car with no options and no driver (every driver's weight will be different anyway, so that can't be included in curb weight). Either way, the E55 is one heavy beast. But it's still the heavy weight champ of the world, with a killer knock out punch!
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Trailer load with/without brake -/-
Roof load 100
Boot capacity l, Tirefit/spare wheel 530 / na
* acc. to 80 / 1269 / EC or 88 / 195 / EC
** in acc. with AS 2877
*** acc. to EC or 92 / 21"
Info posted from MB Australia web site.
"Weight ready for driving * kg 1835 / 1990
Payload kg 525 / 505
Total weight kg 2360 / 2495
Max. axle load front kg 1165 / 1115
rear kg 1240 / 1380
Roof load kg 100
Trunk capacity max. ** l 530 / 1930***
Tank capacity l 80,0
Reserve l 9,0
Note: trailer-hitch not possible
* Per EU guidelines 92/21 with driver (68 kg), tank filled up to 90%
and luggage (7 kg)
** VDA
*** from 1st tier
Saloon/Estate "
Info from AMG International web site.
1835kg equals 4045lbs, so MBUSA has already factored in some of the extras that come standard in USA such as Logic 7/Hasrmon Kardon stereo system that are optional elsewhere.
A BMW M5 weighs close to 4000lbs, measured to the same EC standard, so there is very little weight difference between them, contrary to the BS that seems to float around.
To add to the debate , the W211 E55 is measurably as quick on a race track as the M5 and the W211, lowered and with bigger tyres would undoubtedly be significantly faster. I base this statement on measured test times on race circuits.
In summary, to those that say that an E39 M5 will kill an E55 in the twisty bits, subjectivley you may "feel" that you are right, but objectively, you are kidding yourself. Add to that the ability of most people to actually judge what the limit of their car is and drive to its full potential and the whole argument is meaningless.
Bottom line, if you want a manual, buy the M5, if you want an auto buy the E55, W210 or W211. All are great cars and none will dissappoint, but don't fool yourself into thinking that one is inherently "superior" to the other, because althougth they each have their own strengths and weaknesses, most of us, myself included, do not ahve the ability to test those limitations anyway.
Last edited by stephens; 02-03-2004 at 05:45 PM.
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So stephens, when MB says the 0-60 time is 4.5 secs and some car mag gets 4.3 secs in their test who do you believe? "Oh, car mag is full of BS because its result was different from what MB claimed", yeah right.
All I'm saying is that R&T's stated "test weight" was 4390lbs in their Aug. '03 issue. That was their "as tested weight" result for the specific car they had (including driver, fuel, test gear etc.) Your car may well be lighter. Regardless of what it weighs, the E55 is a very fine car. But all other things being equal, it would handle better if it were lighter.
Check out this video of a german test. It clearly shows that the E55 is a handful going through the slalom compared to the M5. (Which is what this thread was about in the first place.)
http://www.kabel1.de/info/aa/autos_i...index.php?7553
Click on:
Das Video
zum Speed-Limo-Vergleich
This video, which was posted before, shows the E55 vs. RS6 vs. M5
All I'm saying is that R&T's stated "test weight" was 4390lbs in their Aug. '03 issue. That was their "as tested weight" result for the specific car they had (including driver, fuel, test gear etc.) Your car may well be lighter. Regardless of what it weighs, the E55 is a very fine car. But all other things being equal, it would handle better if it were lighter.
Check out this video of a german test. It clearly shows that the E55 is a handful going through the slalom compared to the M5. (Which is what this thread was about in the first place.)
http://www.kabel1.de/info/aa/autos_i...index.php?7553
Click on:
Das Video
zum Speed-Limo-Vergleich
This video, which was posted before, shows the E55 vs. RS6 vs. M5
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The stats printed by the car mag must have been wrong.
I doubt that they actually even weighed the car. Someone probably calculated what they thought it would weigh based on some sketchy info provided in a press pack.
My car, for example has elecrtric rear shade, disctronic, dvd nav, active seats, HK Logic 7 stereo, parktronic, heated rear seats and split folding visors. It weighs 1885kg according to the same standard. It would be a Federal offence in Australia and a breach of Aust design Regs, if this info was not true as stated by the manufacturer. There are regulatory issues for the standardisation of specification measurements. That is why, for example, in Germany all early production SL55's had to be re-certified at 500hp from 476.
Because something is listed in a car magazine does not make it true.
From memory in the video you refer to, which is quite old now, the driver had trouble with the servtronic power steering unit playing up.
Edit: Sorry actually took the time to read your post.
I agree with you completely, the E55 would be much improved given a diet, ideally about 200kg (440lbs).
Ignore my rant
I doubt that they actually even weighed the car. Someone probably calculated what they thought it would weigh based on some sketchy info provided in a press pack.
My car, for example has elecrtric rear shade, disctronic, dvd nav, active seats, HK Logic 7 stereo, parktronic, heated rear seats and split folding visors. It weighs 1885kg according to the same standard. It would be a Federal offence in Australia and a breach of Aust design Regs, if this info was not true as stated by the manufacturer. There are regulatory issues for the standardisation of specification measurements. That is why, for example, in Germany all early production SL55's had to be re-certified at 500hp from 476.
Because something is listed in a car magazine does not make it true.
From memory in the video you refer to, which is quite old now, the driver had trouble with the servtronic power steering unit playing up.
Edit: Sorry actually took the time to read your post.
I agree with you completely, the E55 would be much improved given a diet, ideally about 200kg (440lbs).
Ignore my rant
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hey guys,
i'm in the stone quarry business. at all of our plants we
have scales that we weigh the trucks with. if someone on
the board has time why not take your car and have it weighed?
fill it up with gas and hop out of it while it is on the scale. then post the weight of the car and the options the car has.
i'm in the stone quarry business. at all of our plants we
have scales that we weigh the trucks with. if someone on
the board has time why not take your car and have it weighed?
fill it up with gas and hop out of it while it is on the scale. then post the weight of the car and the options the car has.
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2000 W210 E55->2003 R230 SL500->2004 W211 E55->2007 997TT+2007 E63->2010 GLK350->2012 E550 4matic
Originally posted by stephens
Because something is listed in a car magazine does not make it true.
Because something is listed in a car magazine does not make it true.