Max.H

What does stock 2011 E63 Biturbo run? Et and Trap? Just curious.

Ls1toAMG

Pretty sure 2012 was the first year bi turbo was standard. 12.1-12.3 on the et and trap speed in the 118-119 range
Simple quality tune and they run 11.1's insane

Crissus

I dont know what the problem are here? Like i said the 55K are still some pretty damn fast cars. There is not that much of a difference between a 63AMG Biturbo and a 55K car. Both are 700NM, 500HP+ cars that drive like a blast. But the butt meter will show you not that much of a diffference. Its not like a 4cylinder NA vs. a Forced Induction V8.

In fact people on the Internet showed Videos of 63Biturbo and said they are not really faster to 62mph (100kph) than 4.4seconds despite the factory claims. I mean you have flashing ESP in my CL55AMG almost up to 100kph even with new good rear tires and you have flashing ESP light up to a 100kph with a recent 63AMG Biturbo. So what is limiting here? Engine Power? No, its traction and/or driving skills!
Of course once in a bit faster speed, a 63biturbo should win against a stock 55AMG, but a heavy modded 55AMG should win against a stock 63AMG. Physics people... Torque is Torque - simple ehh?

gaspam

^ this... i have had 06 e55 with 180M pulley, LTH, cooling and when i got my 2014 e63s stock it felt just as fast as my modded E55... then when i slapped on renntech tune, forget it, the bi-turbo just pulls so much harder then the pulley'd 5.5 s/c

SilverStrk

This/\/\/\. As stated in my previous post a "Modded" 55 will pull a "Stock" 63, However, when you put a tune and Especially "down pipes" on it It's ALL OVER.. You will be owned.. I've raced several, if their stock I walk them, If it's modded with the above mentioned I get owned and my car is Real Fast, and I can beat almost anybody around here.. My02....

CharlyE500

There is no argument that Bi-turbo is much better platform, more power, better tranny etc.... NO DOUBT ! But OP was simply sharing his experience that's all.

gaspam

my point was that when my e63s was STOCK, it felt just as fast as my MODDED E55 (which put down 510 whp)

granted my e63 is a S model so in stock form its a bit faster than a non-s version since they have about 30 whp more ( stock e63-S are dynoing around 540 awhp)

my guess is Stock e63 S-models are not going to get walked my a run of the mill 180M pulley w/ LTH E55's (generally around 500whp) , a non-S version (stock~510 awhp) might though, but should be super close

Max.H

I think the 11-12 E63 Biturbo is faster for sure. If people can pull 11.7-11.9 in stock E55. Then people can sure do the same if not a little better with a 11-12 E63 in same conditions.

The S model are even faster so that is not a comparison.

500 hp is 500 hp. I think the launch control in and 7 speed trans has an advantage from the start and well into triple digit speeds.

Any type of roll racing situation 40 50 60 - 130 mph. I would think the mountainous and instantaneous torque advantage of the E55 will pull away from 11-12 E63 and keep a lead till about 125-130 mph Then I would bet the Biturbo and 7 speed will pull away and just keep pulling.

500 hp is fast and will never be slow in anything.

Just my 2 cents.

layzie12g

At Pacific Raceways there was 2 TT E63s. A bone stock 2012 and a face lifted wagon. The bone stock sedan went 11.90s at 119 with a 1.8 60 foot. The wagon was running 12.20s. My car before the supercharger went 12.20s also.

An E55 with secondary cat delete and some road race tires went 11.90s at 118. The almost stock E55 was as fast as the bone stock E63 TT. I have a really good race with the sedan 63. I tree'd him bad and was about a car ahead of him at the big end, but he was gaining quick.

Max.H

I miss pacific raceway in Kent washington if memory serves me correct. That is a great track! So is the track in oregon. Very cold air.

AMG__POWER

Lolol

e500slr

The M157 is in a different league though. I used to hate it but in real life it's different from videos, both aurally and the feel that you get. The M157 cannot be filmed, the sound just doesn't get through a mic properly. In real life it sounds so damn muscly and BIG....and that turbo whistle. You feel like you're driving a monster.

AMSs M157 upgrade made nearly 800 whp with minor mods.

PeterUbers

Many with renntech tune alone on 2014+ e63 (doesn't matter if you tune an -S or non-s, end power is identical) ... Are running 11.0-11.3

Add downpipes and mufflers
High 10's

Add new turbos
Mid 10's

Crissus

Yes its very impressive... Here is a video:

What wonders me though: 60-130mph (96-208kph) is MORE than 6.5seconds? Serioulsy? I know some 55K Drivers from germany with W211 and R230 heavy tuned (the usually 77mm SCP or 180mm CP, Headers, Exhaust, 82mm TB, 550cc injectors, cooling mods, tune) that make around 6.2-6.5 seconds 100kph - 200kph (62-125mph). A guy with a even lower modded 55K in a W210 (only 172mm pulley AFAIK) achieves the same.

This is the domain where it gets interesting for us germans, 100-200kph... Doubling your speed on the Autobahn in just around 6 seconds is veeeery nice

I will also get one W212 AMG Biturbo one day, or maybe i skip it for the W213 with its prestine interior - i dont like the "cool" W212 interior to be honest....

Zed82

Don´t understand the fuss here really. 55K is still strongly respected machines out there. My friend who owns a stock GT-R Black Edition ran me last summer (rolling) and pulled just slightly on my E55 with only a EC-tune and K&N filters. He was not surprised and as he put it "you don´t mess with a 55K". He owned one in 2004 when they were new.

Another friend with a R8 V10 Plus with a tune and exhaust could not pull on me at all from a rolling start.

But if we´re going to talk about Corvette C6 Z06, then that´s another story.

e500slr

What I love is how different each engine feels, how it has it's own character.

I agree, I've seen a 55k CLK55 do 6 seconds and it was not making anywhere near 800whp, probably not 600whp but you have to consider weight too, although the E55 doesn't weigh that much less than a W212.

Could it be that whole torque limiting thing on the MCT or something, isn't that why they trap so high but the ET isn't that great?

PeterUbers

There is no fuss

People are speaking respectfully about both cars for the most part

How long do you plan to keep your e55... What will you get next

PeterUbers

Sdg1871 is a respected w212 amg member and posted these videos from his races, he beat plenty of fast cars

He has full renntech tune and mufflers only, 91 octane

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...oll-races.html

Ruthle55

Stock e63 according to car and driver, along side the s5, and the m3?m4? was like 12.2 at 125. People just don't get it. Your ET is mostly about your 60ft, and your 1/8th mile. From a rolling start, ET does not mean diddly. How is that so hard to understand? Higher trapping cars with higher ET's are back halfing way more than you. That is the point im trying to make. Regardless of ET, a car is still trapping higher than me with a worse ET, which means it back halfs the last 1/8th mile like a mother ****er.

HeissRod

Want to know how you might fair in a stoplight to stoplight race? Look at average ETs.

Want to know how you might fair in a roll race? Look at trap speed.

PeterUbers

Good info by both

PeterUbers

Trap on stock 2014 e63s is only 121 at best mag recording

Motor trend

"That’s enough to propel the 4511-pound sedan to 60 mph in a crazy quick 3.4 seconds and through the quarter mile in 11.6 seconds at 121.8 mph. That’s one big hammer."

gaspam

another e63 4 matic just pulled off 140+ mph trap speed few weeks ago with 10.12 ET 1/4 mile.... 9's are just around the corner



and an SL63 did 10.03 @ 142mph

AMG__POWER

I'm nearly 100% sure that with upgraded turbos, tune, down pipes, better cooling/tired and injectors I have no doubt that it can run 9's...maybe even remove the back seats

Zed82

Mostly referring to the first pages.

I´m keeping the beast for a long time. Thought about getting in something else like a E63 AMG S but the price difference is not worth it. E55 is payed off with low depreciation and still a beast that can beat 99,9% of the cars on the road. All for a fairly low running cost.