cookiee55amg

Hi folks, after months of rumours the charge cooler project I have been working on with Forge Motorsports is now fully tested and ready. If you are regular on the w210 and w211 amg page on facebook you are possibly already fully aware and informed with the numbers that really matter.

My own car is fitted with the cooler and Saturday went on a final dyno test run at MSL Performance here in the UK just to see that this kit is that good.

Please feel free to contact me for any additional information, you will not be disappointed.

Hulk

Are you a sponsor here?

Offer information like amb temp, and iat temps also say if it was tested on stock or modded cars. All those things can make big differences in iats depending on mods as well. The iats will never be as high if the car is stock with tune or not.

mufc

I am interested

rockthemullet

I'm an admin on the W211 AMG Facebook page. I'm not aware of any numbers provided.

Feel free to provide them here

cookiee55amg

Hi folks here are some of the numbers that may clear up any doubts, ambient temp 18-20 degrees c, Intake air temps 25-30 degrees c, after 5 full power runs in 3rd gear temps did not exceed 52 degrees c with instant recovery with no drop off in power. Yes my car is standard ish K&N drop in filters, quaife lsd, fabberge centre muffler delete and rear mufflers. I contacted forge motorsports here in the UK to help produce the biggest and best charge cooler kit, it has its own 3ltr reservoir coupled to the mighty mezeire wp136s pump and silicon hoses. Please note the pump is sourced from the USA and is addition to the kit. It as been designed around this pump and the readings are using this pump. My 2004 E55 Wagon produced 454bhp and 548ft/lbs of torque, now its putting out 538.61bhp and 620.57ft/lbs of torque.

das eighty

I like Forge and have used their products during my VW/Audi days, but I have a feeling this price point will be different than what we are used to in the HE/cooler market. Any idea?

blackbenzz

Are you attributing your power gains to the cooling alone? Also, what is so innovative about this kit? I don't see anything new, what am I missing?

JoeNobody

Are the dyno numbers wheel power, or calculated crank power? Was a software tune used before and after?

The reservoir is innovative, and I wouldn't mind having just that.

cookiee55amg

My car as had no tune at all, whats innovative is the kit the size of the cooler and the size of the reservoir and short distance to the cooler. its will out perform other coolers as ive not sat in my shed welding its a proper thought out kit.

99lightning

any pictures or details of this.

cookiee55amg

launch price for January only £997.50 plus postage and packaging after January £1050.68 plus postage and packaging

Max.H

I remember seeing this on the Facebook page. Its like 2500 USD or something, I forget... It looks daam good. Reminds me of the guy who swapped an SLR motor into his E55 and used a giant heat exchanger like this from the middle east. Ive been trying to get more info about a setup like this for a long time.

Welwynnick

That's a great looking heat exchanger - just don't use Meziere pumps for anything other than engine cooling! They're not suitable for charge cooling at all, they have the wrong pressure/flow characteristics.

Nick

Hulk

On a stock car it's much easier to control iats, slap on a 180 pulley and then come back with info. 2500$ is a lot of money and many willing to spend that money have higher boost than stock boost.

AgSilver

It's a great looking kit, but what I'm not clear on is with the extremely low BTU capacity of the 113K intercooler, how is it possible to get the stated temps without increasing the actual BTU capacity of the intercooler? The various oversize heat exchangers readily available, at best, only allow the intercooler to operate at its maximum capacity at a given ambient air temperature. This problem was solved in the SLR's which incorporate 2 huge top-mounted intercoolers with massive BTU capacity from massive surface area. For the 113K, the only solutions that can significantly reduce charge air temps so far have been either meth injection and/or a separate reservoir packed with ice to greatly reduce the water temperature and accordingly, the TD. The effectiveness of these methods is reduced the closer the ambient air temperature gets to the chilled water temperature. But without an increase of the surface area of the intercooler, I just do not see how there can be any significant improvement.

sexyxe

What I'm confused about is the 80hp gain from the cooling? Come again? Did I miss something here?

black06c230

Let me know when this is cheaper and better than KC, trunk tank and meth. Oh and starts below ambient by like 15-20* on a 195 CP in 90* weather. My setup never got above 100* and this is 125*. Looks nice though.

scoto

will this kit work with cars equipped with distronic?

Welwynnick

What are the dimensions of the HE core?
Thanks,
Nick

rockthemullet

This is why the data provided is impossible. Well... possible on a stock system, but no chance on a pullied system.

Max.H

This kit is very nice and well made. I don't see anyone else trying to develop a huge heat exchanger and offering a plug and play solution. Sounds like they are listening to the market and improving on an old design. Innovative perhaps in a way. But, definitely a big improvement.

I'm sure this will outperform the standard cooling setups. (heat exchanger, tank and pump) It just simple facts we already know. More cooling capacity and larger surface area of cooling will net lower IAT.

People would love to see the IATs with a 180mm pulley and headers etc.

JoeNobody

A giant heat exchanger gives a lot of coolant and behaves like a trunk tank. Not impossible temp numbers for stock boost levels.

whipplem104

The cooling capacity of the intercooler core is going to be directly related to the water temperature running through it. If you have a sufficient heat exchanger in the front to keep the water from warming up then you are not going to heat soak. This setup is simply keeping the water from getting hot. As I have said here before. The required heat exchanger to run full tilt without heat soak is basically another full radiator up front for the intercooling. I talked to Bell intercoolers about this several years ago and the required heat exchanger for around 500hp was about the same size as my radiator.
Also the pump requirements are not as high if the heat exchanger does not have as much back pressure.

FLINTY55

Damn nice but no way on 2.5K...bummer!

rockthemullet

On a stock pulley and stock heat, this is correct. Spin the supercharger any higher than stock and you find the heat transfer limit of the intercooler. The heat exchanger system can be as efficient as you want it to be but if it doesn't pull enough heat out of the charged air, you are still inefficient.