What do you think of the new engine rumor to be coming out?
One of topics on the CL board had an article that stated 6.3 500hp but 434lbs of torque. I love the 516lbs of torque of my E55. Just love it. Losing about 80 lbs of torque for a few more hp. If I had the CL55, what would you gain, 7 hp and lose almost 80 lbs of torque.

Do you think the 6.3 engine is better than the 5.5 supercharged.
I wish they would make the E65 AMG.

amgB

 

A simple gearing/tire change will make the new car even faster. The E55 has more torque than the tires can handle as it stands now. Am I the only one whose traction control intervenes constantly in 1st gear?

 

No, you're not the only one, it'll spin its wheels in 3rd at 80mph...


The new 6.3 AMG V8 will incorporate all of the latest AMG technology to achieve its full 500bhp, which insiders say it develops reliably on the dyno. It uses MB's latest tech that they have used on the new SLK350 engine. the engine is being developed by Rolf Zimmermann, head of engine design at AMG. He is the man behind the 5.5 V8K and the special unit of 7.3 V12 for the Pagani Zonda S.

I agree, gearing with new 7g Tronic will make it as quick at least as the V8 Kompressor, but only if they have a shorter final drive so it can make best use of 7 gears and the new engines wider torque curve characteristics. Still 600Nm is plenty to spin wheels. Sure the engine won't have the massive kick that you get now, but with a more responsive gearbox and with good torque over a wider band, it will certainly perform.

The new engine could if stretched deliver possibly up to 40-50 more Hp, but that looks unlikely at this stage. Torque gets acceleration, but hp is hp. It will still pull like the current AMG's strongly to the limiter. this engine will also power teh future McLaren P8 car, so I don't think you should be discouraged about performance.

Mb has invested heavily in two turbocharging technology recently since the supercharger route uses excessive fuel and overall engine longevity is questioned if driven aggressively. (as if you can resist flooring that beast). I think since the fuel control on AMG cars is via AMG electronic control, the engine requires a lot of it to deliver its full potential hp and tq. They say that the supercharger is disconnected under normal driving conditions below 2500rpm, but due to the aggressive throttle response and heavy fuelling of AMG cars, its almost always active.

MB and AMG are favouring twin turbo technology since the 6.9 V12 TT is being produced, who knows if AMg TT the 6.3 V8 we could have a V8 Bi-turbo producing close to 600bhp, and with most likely smaller turbos being utlised to get that extra 100bhp, that means torque and a hell of a lot of it will come at lower revs. But this idea is pure speculation at this stage, AMG sure have made Ferrari Porsche and Lamborghini sweat recently, so if they reply with 550bhp then you may just see a 600bhp E-class.


At the end of the day, enjoy today, enjoy your cars for what they are, surely the future ones will be faster, they almost always are. Not everyone can say they owned a 500bhp car in their lifetime

 

When is that coming? I'm ordering E55 this month mayb i should wait?

 

For the 2005 year SL's will get this uprated engine, or so thats what I've heard, maybe teh year after the E55's and rest of the range will get them.

 

Thanks for your comments. I have enjoyed listening to your (Bilal) insights both on this board and the other forum. I use to love N/A engines since I always felt that turbos/superchargers had such a lag in throttle response. The E55 is definitely different since there is just so much torque. One thing that I find is interesting, if the new SLK 55 has 360hp(265kw) and 510Nm of torque(sorry don't know conversion to lbs but it is close to that of the hp), don't you think the V8 6.3 making 500 hp should have more that 434lbs of torque?

Yes, the 265 in the back cannot handle the torque. I think 275 is not enough. Did you see, the CLS has an option for 19 inch 285 in the rears. Now we are talking.

I am sure MB will make sure that the E55 is at least the same in terms of acceleration as the current E55. My lease will be up at about the same time the new engine is out, I was just wondering if I should be looking forward to more speed or just to let myself think it will be about the same as I have it now.

As people have mentioned before, traction is one of the drawbacks of this car having so much power. With more traction, the car would be an absolute rocket against anything.

amgB

 

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Traction traction traction. If you don't haev it, forgetabouit! AMg's biggest enemy as you say has been traction. Its ok when you're in a Ferrari Modena, or a 911 Turbo, wheterh you have the engine over the rear wheels or just insane amounts of rubber and 4WD. Those cars don't waste their power. I think although it is modded, Ben Treynor's S600 on this site has (on drag slicks and at ths strip) managed to pull off a 0-60 time of 3.3 Seconds! That is the same time it takes a Ferrari Enzo on street tires to do. When the same is pulled off on a 2 ton limo, I think you know the significance!

I hope and there are rumours that the next CL will have 4WD. It is only logical that AMG implement 4WD on some of their cars since 1000Nm or even 1200Nm is not helping anybody with rear wheel drive and with same size wheels as its baby brother, CL55, which will smoke wheels in 3rd at 80mph! So fingers crossed. AMG engineers said that the reason they weren't able to implement it on current models with ABC, was that the physical size of the systems and ABC units weren't compatible. So you ccan have an S500 with Airmatic suspension and 4matic 4WD, but you cannot have an S500 with ABC and 4matic 4WD. And as you know ABC is a very competent suspension setup, being able to hold anything from 1.7 tons (SL500) to 2.2 Tons (CL65)

BMW's have flared wheelarches to have a wider track and bigger wider wheels, by the looks of the SLK55, and future models, even the CLS, this may be true for Mercedes models as well...

If I were you I would't worry about torque or lack thereof, never has there been any Mercedes or 911 or Ferrari thats been slower than its predecessor, look at F40 F50 and the Enzo, and I'm almost certain that the W211 facelift or even W212 won't be any different. Maybe they might have 500hp NA in teh facelift, and possibly a higher output in the next car with turbos, so you won't be disappointed. I'm not familiar with Lbft, excuse me, but I do know that the E55 can produce 700Nm (ok in reality close to 750-800Nm). The new 6.3 has 600Nm, 100 down, but if the new 350 engine is anything to go by, it should produce 80-90% of "600nm" at 1500rpm, and then produce a flat 600Nm punch all the way to redline, making acceleration in any gear at any speed, coupled with ultimate response 7g tronic, it should be a dream.


ps, which other boards did you mean?

 

Nice comments Bilal.

I am sure you are right about MB always improving their models. I know a friend of a friend who just got a C32. At first, he was disappointed when I told him the C55 is coming. But then he compared 0-60 times and thinks his car, from what MB states, is faster. So, I guess, that is where my concern is. I understand MB for going N/A, but I just wanted to see what people thought about what is next. I did read the article about the potential of the new engines MB is developing for the AMG lines.

I was affraid that I was going to get use to having so much power in the current E55. And the need for more power is so addicting. I would consider the CLS if it could fit 3 people in the rear seat or if it came out as a CLS 65 or CLS 69 with 1200nm. That would be cool.

Rennteam is the other board I was referring to.

I am always looking for my next car.

amgB

 

oh, rennteam.com

My commenst there are not always the best and childish sometimes I realize.:o


BTW MB have registered the names CLS63 and CLS65 so get your name down now

 

These motors from MBZ and AMG are insane!!! I don't think you will ever have to worry about power....atleast thats how its currently looking.

Agreed...I think this is where the very high power sedans are going to run into some problems. will have to wait and see what the fix will be for the next round of power monsters from MBZ and AMG.

 

Didn't Car and Driver just test the SL600 at 0-60 in 3.6 seconds? It only has 285's in the rears. That's pretty good traction for only having rear wheel drive and 285's, don't you think?

 

I would agree .....those are VERY good times, just look at the company those numbers are in.

I think it becomes more of a problem when pushing the car hard in corners without the experince to handle a 600hp rwd car without traction control on. Even with traction control on the experince could be scary since the computer is constantly changing the driving charicteristics which can upset the balance of the car at the limits. Traction control works very well to a point then it impedes the performance and makes it dangerous. Atleast that is my experience.

 

I just thought, and I know its taken me a long time to do so, BUT. The current E55 is a bit overweight we know that, and we also know that that is the additional strengthening of components to take the massive 700-800Nm being put through them, such as differential, crankshaft, rear axle.

BUT, when the facelft E63 debuts, it should have less torque than the outgoing motor, meaning, the E63 could end up being 100-150kgs less than its predecessor? Wishful thinking or a definite reality? With that in mind, and with 19inch wheels (possibly) and with a factory fitted LSD which is available right now for it in Affalterbach, this car may just be a fun car to drive as much as the new M5? But AMG IMO really need a DSG right now...

 

Yay! N/A 6.3L V-8!