max_e55

In my opinion, AMG goes the wrong way... compressor engines just have power "on the paper"...

I was convinced that the E55 is the best car ever built on the world, since i've sat in a BMW E39 M5 yesterday.
My father owns an E55 AMG and is just sad about having buyed this car, he could have had a better M5 for less money...
The compressor engine is not sporty enough and can't rev very high. The sound is poor and the big quad exhaust pipes are just embarassingly for this engine: They've put just big pipes on small pipes! The top speed is normal at this segment: 155mph. The E55 is too heavy, but i think the brakes work better than the M5-Brakes.

As you see in the Formula1, MB is just unable to build engines while BMW builds the strongest powerplant on the grid!

My father who had many MBs is now seriously thinking about buying the new E60 M5. It has a Formula1-like engine. We live in a suburb of Munich and we have seen & heard an E60 M5 mule ... what a car! I can't wait until flatting out on the Autobahn with this car!

AMG can learn very much from the M-Engineers...

MadC32

AMG can learn a lot from the M-Gmbh?

How to make engines not last longer than 100'000 km's cause their completely maxxed out?

As for the sportiness of the Kompressor.. if you know how to drive it.. it is sporty..

edit: As for the sound.. love it or leave it.. to me the Kompressor sounds awesome..

max_e55

Look at this article: http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/neuhe...rtikel_id=6109

AMG is going to set of the compressors and will try to build high-revving engines...

... they recognize using compressors is wrong ...

MadC32

I know they're going back to 6.3 N/A engines. Still, it doesnt change the fact AMG builds very soild and reliable engines. BTW I'm sure you know the 5.4 liter V8 Kompressor engine has won the Engine of the year award.

max_e55

AMG really does build solid and relieable engines, but the BMW engines are just one class higher.

I'll never forget the feeling of speeding down the Autobahn in an M5...

max_e55

17 Awards for BMW...

...only 3 Awards for DaimlerChrysler (including MB/AMG,...)

http://www.ukintpress.com/engineofth...revious04.html

in the Best-Engine ranking list, you don't even find a D'Chrysler/MB-Engine. BMW won place 3!

vraa

Too bad there is no autobahn in the great USoA!

There's nothing better then a feeling of crusing down US59 in a R230 at night. Nothing.

max_e55

with 60 mph...

vraa

105mph, close. 56 really opens up once you get out of Houston

Either way you go, BMW's and MercedesBenz's have some of the best feelings when driving at night. No wonder Mafia guys chose black cars

Not to leave out the Lexus though, but that's more of a daytime cruiser, maybe it's the white color?

GDawgC220

again, there goes comparing BMW to MB...

BMW & MB gear their products towards different crowds...it's like comparing apples to oranges. Some people like MB for what they offer and vice versa. Same holds to BMW as well.

max_e55

I think you're right.

Mercedes Benz builds the more comfortable cars.

BMW cars are more sportive.

GDawgC220

yeah, IMO BMW goes towards the group who is looking for more emphasis on sportiness and some luxury and MB goes toward those who are looking for more emphasis on luxury while still having some sportiness.

Vetluver

Sounds like a troll to me. I have had 3 M3s and everyone has had multiple mechanical problems. They have spent more time in the shop than any of my other cars. Have you heard about MFailure.com? It's at roadfly now. A signicant number of M3s had engine failures usually before 10K miles. BMW bought mine back and I got a 03 replacement. I wouldn't have it but my wife loves the car.

Most MB owners want a vehicle that is fast and luxurious too. I have driven M5s on many occasions and they can't make up their minds, is it sports car or a comfortable sedan? You can't have both. I have 2 "sports cars" and I want a luxury car which also can perform with the best of the best. The E55 fits the bill perfectly.

Jon200

IMO Kompressor aint the wrong way, just a different approach.

True that BMW puts an enormous amount of effort and techology into their road cars, especially their M-powered vehicles. I have absolutely nothing against the M3 and M5 as I believe they are powered by the best engines in the business. ONLY downside to them is reliability, particularly in the M3.

To say that no E55 has a chance against an M5 is a bit of understatement because the E55 has better aceleration times than a 911 turbo. Sure, the M5 might have better driver pleasure but don't write off the E55.

Anyway, don't want to turn this into another benz vs bimmer thread.

At the end of the day, i'd be happy to take AMG or M vehicles.

Jon200

agree 100%

norb

CoughTrollcough.

IdriveFast

i really dont understand why ppl brag about high revving

if you could have the power at a lower RPM wouldnt you rather have that?

why have your ice cream later when you can have it now?


the only purpose for engines to be high revving is to hang onto a gear longer in order to draw more power, that doesnt make it better than lower revving engines that produce more power at lower RPM's

IdriveFast

whats up wit all these ppl coming in2 the E55 forum and bad mouthing the E55?

is this guy kain in disguise or something?

his posts are like the biggest BMW buttkissing posts ive ever read.

IdriveFast

you dont see me going to bimmerforums.com to post my M3 kill stories.

why do they come here to talk trash??

krispykrme

I will not comment on the motive of the original post here. Nor engaging in pointless argument with certain rednecks.

However, I do want to dispute a point regarding the M engines. Other than the certain batch made in the 2002 model year M3. M engines are fine. And there are quiet bit of E46 M3 and M5 has more than 100,000 km on it. To state that M engine is unreliable pieces of crap is bogus.

Yes, they had share of problems when introduced. (the 2000 E39 eats oil and has o-ring problems). However, into their 2nd year or later production they were quiet fine. My M3/M5 had no mechanical issues to speak of. Only problems i had was with the hood sensor and broken sunroof cover on the M3.

I had more problem with the E55 mechanically. SBC whine, defective airmatic (which they still can't diagnose why it would intermittently fail).

IdriveFast

are you referring to me?

krispykrme

no. not you. i am refering to certrain individual that would take everything out of context.

Beltfed

Too bad all of the new BMWs look like crap.

MadC32

thank you!

BlownV8

krispyKreme, I guess you forgot about all the M engine failures caused by their use of Nickasil to coat the cylinder walls in their aluminum blocks? BMW tried to claim that US gasoline was too high in sulfer and it wasn't their fault that the engines were grenading. After multiple lawsuits and really bad press, BMW started repairing, replacing, and extending the warranties on the engines. If BMW is so great at engineering, why couldn't they get the Nickasil coated blocks to work for them? Porsche has been using the stuff for over 20 years and they have not had any issues.

BMW has had many issues with the new generation of M engines too. Seek the information on all the M engines that self distructed and you will not have to look too far. Truth is, high revving engines are not as reliable as those that are low revving. When you greatly increase the revs you also greatly increase the centrifugal force against that piston as well as forces against the valve springs. Rev too high and your valves will float and crash into the pistons. For the street, I'll take a lower revving higher displacement supercharged or turbocharged engine any day over a smaller higher revving normally aspirated engine.