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03-04 E55’s - Why The Bad Rap

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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 09:03 PM
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03-04 E55’s - Why The Bad Rap

Seems like everyone tells me to avoid those years. But, when I ask if they’re that bad all I ever get told is, “Nah, but the newer ones are better.”

So, what is it about the 03-04’s that give them a bad wrap!?

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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 10:23 PM
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I think biggest things are 03-04 rads can leak into tranny & slower steering rack?

other differences like rear axels, center consoles, few other things I’m sure
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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 10:32 PM
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In addition to what was already mentioned: 03-04 do not have the 200mph speedo. 05+ have an updated supercharger design.
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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 10:54 PM
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So, new SC design, but same output...? this is the first I’m hearing this. Hmm... can anyone get more specific / technical on the two designs?

The 200 mph speedo is cool. Is there really a difference in the center consoles / interiors?

The reason im asking is because I’m set to look at a 124k 03 soon. On the fence between it and a modded 05 in a better colorway, with under 100k on the clock. The 03 is local, the 05 is on the other side of the country...

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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 10:55 PM
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Don’t you just do a split cooling mod to reconcile the tranny / radiator issue?

slower steering rack...? Anyone?
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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 10:58 PM
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I would steer clear from the 03s, honestly. First year cars always have more problems.

Split cooling does not fix the glycol contamination issue. I believe it is far more involved than that.

Steering rack is slower, yes. 05+ is updated. There isn't a huge difference between the pre-05 blowers, but enough of one to be noted. I'm not sure exactly what the difference is, you'd have to look more into it.

Also, I have a feeling the 05 you're talking about is actually my car, which is up for sale currently.
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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Davednconfused
I would steer clear from the 03s, honestly. First year cars always have more problems.

Split cooling does not fix the glycol contamination issue. I believe it is far more involved than that.

Steering rack is slower, yes. 05+ is updated. There isn't a huge difference between the pre-05 blowers, but enough of one to be noted. I'm not sure exactly what the difference is, you'd have to look more into it.

Also, I have a feeling the 05 you're talking about is actually my car, which is up for sale currently.
just looked at your car... pretty rad! But, that’s not the one.

thanks also for the input.
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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by XFXDX


just looked at your car... pretty rad! But, that’s not the one.

thanks also for the input.
Ah okay - didn't think there were many modified 05's with low miles for sale .

Regardless, I would 100% shoot for 05+. Full explanations of the differences can definitely be found if you search around a bit.
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Old Jun 7, 2018 | 11:31 PM
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Searching now. Thank you.

What if the 08 w/ 125k was under $10k?
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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 03:38 AM
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You need a new radiator to prevent the glycol contamination. Split cooling is an intercooling modification only (and controversial to boot). I have also heard about the superchargers being different but you would have to look to find the answer. It certainly shouldn't affect a purchase decision.
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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 04:36 AM
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Would highly recommend the 05 or 06. Otherwise how are you going to know whether the cop actually tagged you going 190? For all you know driving a 03 or 04, you could've only been doing 181.

But if you're really interested in an 03, buy a trans dipstick (these cars don't come with one) and a coolant strip test kit, and take them with you to test out the atf for contamination. If it passes, and the trans shifts good on the test drive, I'd buy the car if the price was right. Even better is if the owner has proof that the original radiator was replaced with an updated part. You can find more info on this specific issue in this guy's video:
I believe he owns an 03.
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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 04:54 AM
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New blower is 5% overdriven internally.
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'03 are the fastest. Especially in silver.
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The video above also has links to the glycol test strips in the description.
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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 07:52 AM
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A few key worthy notes to what has been mentioned:
1) The '05 and '06 have a different center console (improved design) that do not blister like the earlier models clam shell design
2) The '05 and '06 have the newer clock spring design that you can near bolt on real paddle shifters from a later model AMG (for example CLS63, E63, etc)
3) The '05 and '06 have the newer larger COMMAD
4)The '05 and '06 have slightly improved suspension with some design shared to the CLS
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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by slownrusty
A few key worthy notes to what has been mentioned:
1) The '05 and '06 have a different center console (improved design) that do not blister like the earlier models clam shell design
2) The '05 and '06 have the newer clock spring design that you can near bolt on real paddle shifters from a later model AMG (for example CLS63, E63, etc)
3) The '05 and '06 have the newer larger COMMAD
4)The '05 and '06 have slightly improved suspension with some design shared to the CLS
does it apply to e55 wagons as well? any 05/06 got all the updates.
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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 08:55 AM
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The video above also has links to the glycol test strips in the description.
thank you.
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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 11:14 AM
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I had never heard to "avoid the 03-04". I actually sought out an 04 because i much prefer the center console.
There also is other false info in this thread since my 04 HAS a 200mph speedo! and the comand screen is the same

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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kenneyd
I had never heard to "avoid the 03-04". I actually sought out an 04 because i much prefer the center console.
There also is other false info in this thread since my 04 HAS a 200mph speedo! and the comand screen is the same
Are you the original owner? Otherwise I'd say it must have a cluster swap, or maybe a super late model 04. 2004's should in fact have the 160mph speedo.

Not sure on the comand though.
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My cls55 is 2005 when they first started production in 2006 do ur 04 might technically be an 05.
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Old Jun 9, 2018 | 01:32 AM
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hmm one thing not mentioned here is that the 03-04 can do better burn outs than the 05/06 model years as ESP kicks in within a couple seconds on the later year cars.
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Old Jun 9, 2018 | 08:54 AM
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hmm one thing not mentioned here is that the 03-04 can do better burn outs than the 05/06 model years as ESP kicks in within a couple seconds on the later year cars.
this is a big deal... So, the ESP is undefeatable on the later cars? Is there not an ESP button somewhere?
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Part of the tcu tune enables as much bornout as earlier models.
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Originally Posted by tw2
You need a new radiator to prevent the glycol contamination. Split cooling is an intercooling modification only (and controversial to boot). I have also heard about the superchargers being different but you would have to look to find the answer. It certainly shouldn't affect a purchase decision.
You guys realize any 03s with bad rads would have been replaced by now 15 yts later
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Old Jun 9, 2018 | 04:19 PM
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hmm one thing not mentioned here is that the 03-04 can do better burn outs than the 05/06 model years as ESP kicks in within a couple seconds on the later year cars.
My E63 will blow the tires off for as long as I want with ESP off. I've never had ESP kick in when it's turned off.
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