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Old 05-26-2004 | 09:10 PM
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Why does it bother you that a man who lives half away around the world doesn't believe you and is calling you a liar?
Cause he has small man syndrome. Ever watch Shrek? He's Lord Farquod.
Old 05-26-2004 | 09:27 PM
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I'm not interested in name calling and some personal,immature vendettas here.
Threads like this one, turn me off completely,it's just not worth to waste my time reading all the "garbage" some of the "members" are spewing here.
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Old 05-26-2004 | 09:46 PM
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you need to grow up a bit and quit taking things so seriously man. You let the litteless things bother you. Why does it bother you that a man who lives half away around the world doesn't believe you and is calling you a liar? You dont care about proving him wrong you simply want to cause chaos otherwise you would have stopped a long time ago. Lets see if you are man enough to read this and not post any comment and end it right here because if you dont say nother word believe me no one woud say anything back.
So i should grow up and not take things seriously??

Everyone has their limit. I let it go once. But all three of you simply won't let this go.

Chaos? If all three of you stopped in the 1st place, would I have react the way i did so far?

I value my intergrity over anything else. You guys can get away the 1st time. But not the 2nd time.

I did not started the thread in M5board. I was making a truthful statement regarding the E55 forum. My comment on the M5board is made based on the actual event occured on this forum.

Constant *****ing? So i can't say anthing bad about my E55. You guys are so great in praising the E55 gospel. Why can i state the truth?

Name calling? i think all three of you did better than I did. I stated it clearly. If you started name calling like stephen, norb and you did, I will do the same if not more.

In addition, I have never made bad comments other than what really happened.

You haven't checked out the comment i made on my E500. How would you know? In fact, I really liked my E500 and has been stating as such.

Why can't you do any search?

Other than stating that all of my mercedes has minor problems off the dealership lot (alignment). I think i have post no other comment regarding my wife's CLK320. I posted good review on the E500. The only thing that I really drilled on was my disappointment with E55, because I really had high hope with it.

Mercedes Nav is bad in U.S. This is true. I had experiences using the Acura/Alpine and Toyota/Lexus/Denso unit. Those were just light years above what BMW and Mercedes offered. So what's wrong with this?

All the post i have made are true. Why not direct your attention to mercedes? Ask them why I had so many problems.

If i despite mercedes so much, all of them would be gone already. However, I really liked my E500 and G. The E55 will most likely be going as soon as I place my order for the M5 (barring any additional delay by BMWNA). To this day, I am still disapppointed with the E55.

However, as i have stated in the W211 regular board. The E500 stays and it's a good reliable beater for me. That's why I am spending money to upgrade the car. Because I like it way more than my e55. In july as soon as steve gets here, the euro command will be added. I am hoping that steve would find out on how to retrofit the active head lights.

So this is the truth about me. I don't hate mercedes. I do not like my E55. I can careless about my wife's CLK320 as long as she is happy. (although I still do not understand why she picked that over my M3, then again, I am an idiot man). I actually really like my E500.

I would like to end this now. I would hope that next time you want to jump in something at least do some research to begin with.
Old 05-26-2004 | 09:50 PM
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OK--I gotta admit that the "Come Out Like a Man" thread was funny--I even posted to that effect. At this point, though, this stuff is getting pretty lame.

If you guys want to go on with this endless flame war, stick to the original thread, or start PMing each other, but stop f-cking up other threads.

Just let it go, or move on to a different message board, like that BMW site. I'm suprised that the moderators have let this continue to spiral unchecked.
Old 05-26-2004 | 10:06 PM
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Although enjoyable at first, this unending tirade of You're fat, no, you're a redneck, you started it, no you started it.... is getting very old. It reminds me of when I was a little kid and someone would call me a name and I would come back with "I know you are but what am I?"

I think the next person to answer back with "I know you are but what am I" should be declared the winner and the thread should be closed.

Never felt this way about the linked O's but the new RS6 is beautiful and if it has the Lambo V10 will kick both E55 and M5 ****.
Old 05-26-2004 | 10:11 PM
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Old 05-26-2004 | 10:14 PM
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Don't jump to conclusions so quickly. the new Audi will be a match for the E60 M5 certainly, but even in the Lambo, the E55 is just as quick, so adding two doors sure isn't going to speed things up.
Old 05-26-2004 | 10:17 PM
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I can't get over that new grill. I'm sure its a fine car but that grill!
Old 05-26-2004 | 10:22 PM
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I like everything about the car EXCEPT the big honkin grill... It's just too much.

Plus if the old RS6 started at 85K, I hate to think what this one will start at if it goes V10.

Plus I must admit I enjoy watching a train wreck as much as the next guy but I agree with the others...let's stick to the cars guys.
Old 05-26-2004 | 11:31 PM
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Old 05-27-2004 | 12:00 AM
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hi guys,

i love these 2 cars.
right now i think Audi is producing
the most attractive automobiles.
the upcoming S class has it's work
cut out for it.
Old 05-27-2004 | 12:24 AM
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back to Audi's deisgn.

I just have to say i can't stand the wide opening mouth. It reminds me so much of my fish. Damn i got to take a picture of my sword tails.

The rest looks great. However, I have never been a VAG fan. Despite that the car looks good, still have no interested in buying an audi.
Old 05-27-2004 | 02:06 AM
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Thumbs up RS6

The RS6 looks SO MUCH BETTER than the M5. And I'm sure it'll have far better ergonomics too. But then, the same problem with Audis in general.. huge depreciation.
Old 05-27-2004 | 02:09 AM
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I'm sure these photos will be close to what these new models will look like....but from most accounts they were photoshopped.
Old 05-27-2004 | 03:12 AM
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My take here....

Originally posted by krispykrme
So i should grow up and not take things seriously??

Constant *****ing? So i can't say anthing bad about my E55. You guys are so great in praising the E55 gospel. Why can i state the truth?

Other than stating that all of my mercedes has minor problems off the dealership lot (alignment). I think i have post no other comment regarding my wife's CLK320. I posted good review on the E500. The only thing that I really drilled on was my disappointment with E55, because I really had high hope with it.

So this is the truth about me. I don't hate mercedes. I do not like my E55. I can careless about my wife's CLK320 as long as she is happy. (although I still do not understand why she picked that over my M3, then again, I am an idiot man). I actually really like my E500.
I must agree with Krispy here...

First off I love MB and think it is a wonderful company but I to am not overly pleased with the W211 E55k. Yes its blindingly fast but when the road turns the car lets you know it would rather go straight. The brakes fade very badly when driven hard and the OEM tires are as sticky as olive oil.

Now I used to blame the cars massive curb weight for why it failed to turn in and power through a corner, but since I picked up a SL55 (which weighs in at 130 lb more than a E55k), I realize that a heavy car CAN drive extremely well. The SL55 loves to change direction. It feels down right sporty for a heavy car! It is no lotus Elise but it really is fun to drive.

So I still don’t know where the E55 falls short. Some say tires. I say look at my E500 which feels 10x more nimble than the more stiffly sprung E55. So this leaves me lost as to what the issue is.

I know most owners do not want to hear that the E55 is not ideal but I still will speak my mind about why the E55 is not as sporty as AMG could have made it. If the RS6 can perform, I think AMG can manage to do better. Might the market segment for AMG buyers not be like that of Audi’s RS/S division and BMW’s M-Power division? I think this is where the key lies. Most E55 owners love the car and I am truly glad they love their cars. We all want to love what we just paid upwards of 100k for! Trouble is, some of us desire more than the E55 delivered.

Now my final parting words here will be this. Who read the big comparison test between all those 30-55k sedans in Road and Track last month? Ok the E320 was praised as the best car there...it was said to be "bmw like" and the BMW was said to be disconnected and slow to respond. So of those that read the stats page, who noticed that the E320 pulled a higher g-load than the E55 and slalomed just .5 mph slower than the E55k. So lets see here. The car with old fashion springs and shocks, 225/55/16 tires (all season H rated CH95's -- possibly the worst tire ever fitted as OEM to a Mercedes Benz), and soft chassis settings, pulls more load on a skid pad and zig zags through the cones at just .5 mph slower than the 245/265 Y rated max performance tire equipped, AirMatic DC sprung E55? The car tuned by AMG? The car that costs nearly 2x as much as the E320 in the test?

Someone must agree with me here that the AMG car should at least beat a base E320 when the road turns. Yes it feels a bit floaty and might not go as fast as the E55 but clearly the E320 did very well. I don’t think a base 530i (e39) can hold a candle to the e39 M5 -- for an M car should always beat the base version! Same goes for MB!

P.S. that RS6 looks great. The stock A6 looks terrible but that body kit and the wheels bring the car together very well.

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Old 05-27-2004 | 03:26 AM
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I did not find the SL55 as nimble as the E55 at all. The SL500 on the other hand, seems to have sharper handling but the exhaust was very harsh.
Old 05-27-2004 | 03:27 AM
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Re: Well, I believe this is the new RS6!!! photo

Originally posted by Pierre32///AMG
I do know why we are spending time with the new M5, I believe the hot car to compite es the new 2006 RS6 (with a Lamborghini Gallardo V10), 4x4,..etc



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Awesome ride. Only thing I don't like is the new style grille Audi is using nowadays. It's a bit over the top for my liking. Apart from that very nice indeed.
Old 05-27-2004 | 03:42 AM
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Re: My take here....

Originally posted by CynCarvin32
I must agree with Krispy here...

First off I love MB and think it is a wonderful company but I to am not overly pleased with the W211 E55k. Yes its blindingly fast but when the road turns the car lets you know it would rather go straight. The brakes fade very badly when driven hard and the OEM tires are as sticky as olive oil.

P.S. that RS6 looks great. The stock A6 looks terrible but that body kit and the wheels bring the car together very well.
Aman.

I never had any intention to purposely smear E55. But as you said, I had much higher expectation of the E55.

I guess may be the other owner did not have experience like me on a daily basis to switch between E55 and E500.

But i just found that E500 is just a better and fun car to drive. It's more nimble, more linear in response than E55.

Also like you said, I really do not know what AMG did to make the E55 so weired.

May be my E55 is an odd ball. But I just can't warm up to it. I just find myself reaching to the E500 keys more and more and more....

I really think that my E500 is a great car. I know i am in minority here. But this is how i really feel.
Old 05-27-2004 | 03:48 AM
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Old 05-27-2004 | 05:17 AM
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Krispy, you keep making a case against the E55 in the E55 forum. As an owner an opinion is certainly allowed, but you've moved from an opinion to an agenda, in my opinion. And your review of the car does not seem to match the majority here. I don't think we are a crowd who would trumpet a car we really feel is inferior. As to the whole back and forth in this thread, I don't know the whole history and maybe your feelings are valid, but it seems to me you are the one who jumped ugly here and started something which has proved demeaning to the forum. I think what we need is a screw you forever and ever in perpetuity until the end of time...and then we move on. lol
Old 05-27-2004 | 07:40 AM
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The simple answer for canyoncarver and krispykreme is to sell their E55's that they hate so much and simply drive their E500s. Why b!tch and moan about it. As many have said, variety is the spice of life, the E55 just didn't suite them like it suites many of us here on the board, So just get rid of the damn cars. Why keep bashing bashing bashing? It's like staying married to a woman you don't really love, oh wait, nevermind.


This is the root of the turmoil here on the forum.

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Old 05-27-2004 | 10:24 AM
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Re: My take here....

Originally posted by CynCarvin32


So of those that read the stats page, who noticed that the E320 pulled a higher g-load than the E55 and slalomed just .5 mph slower than the E55k.

I also recall an Autoweek test where an A8L slalomed quicker than the E55. Considering it's weight and wheelbase, that's a hell of an engineering job by Audi (or a mediocre job by AMG).
Old 05-27-2004 | 11:49 AM
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Article in AutoCar April 13th 2004 issue 15
Information is closely guarded, but early plans to provide Audi's new go-faster A6s with a detuned version of the 5.0-litre V10 engine used in the Lamborghini Gallardo have been abandoned. "There's not enough space to package it," said an insider intimate with the new cars' details.

Instead the next S6 and RS6 now look set to receive an upgraded version of Audi's twin-turbocharged 4.2-litre V8 running the company's FSI direct-injection technology for improved fuel consumption and emissions. In stardard trim, the V8 lump will provide the S6 with around 400bhp - a good 60bhp more than in the old model.

Topping the A6 range will be the next RS6, which Audi officials hint will be a much more focused car than today's model. With larger turbochargers and added boost pressure, the V8's output will swell to an M5- and CLS 55-equalling 500bhp. That's an increase of 50bhp over today's RS5 and, together with a reported 480lb ft of torque, should ensure Ingolstadt's giant-killing reputation remains intact.
Typed by moi, hope that clears some things up.
Old 05-27-2004 | 04:10 PM
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Going out on a limb here

Originally posted by norb


This is the root of the turmoil here on the forum.
Totally disagree!!!

I chalk the trouble in the forum up to 2 main issues:

1) Seemingly closed minded owners who can not discuss various view points and who who instead take comments about a vehicle as personal insults and or attacks.

2) Post purchase affirmation

I never take any comments personally here nor do I attack a persons character by judging them based on their opinion of a car. Board members should all be "friends" and not become so easily insulted. Its just a car! Disagreement makes for good conversation. We can only say so many good things about a car or talk about winning so many drag races. I think things like this stur up some fun!

At times I think mbworld.org more resembles Honda-Tech.com than Audi/bimmer.org

Go look at an RS6, S4, M3, M5, EVO VIII, and 996 message board and you will quickly see that when a comment about a cars flaws shows up, people are willing to help address and improve the characteristic in question instead of jumping into a mud slinging, character bashing, name calling festival of lights.

I am thinking of taking the E55 and the E500 to the streets of willow and letting my associate (a 15 year club racer) try to chase me down in the E55. I bet the E55 will lap the track no faster (or negligibly quicker) than an E500 for the streets of willow does not have long straights where power makes a difference. If I am wrong I would gladly post the results. Trouble is, the brakes on both cars will last but a few laps before fading into smoke and glowing rotors. This makes it difficult to learn the cars behavior and characteristics.

Just came back from the streets of willow in a slightly modded C32 (chassis and brakes only -- stock lump) and we threw together a 1:39.2 (club racer driving -- my best lap time was 1 second off the pace at 1:40.1) lap time and managed a 1:31.3 for the E36 road/track car. Not bad at all given a S2k Honda ran in the 1:36 range.

Now on the big track at willow, the E55 would be quicker for it has some seriously long straight sections...

I wonder what the E55 would run...wheels turning in my head!

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Old 05-27-2004 | 04:34 PM
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Re: Going out on a limb here

Originally posted by CynCarvin32

At times I think mbworld.org more resembles Honda-Tech.com than Audi/bimmer.org

Halfway true.. I agree with some of the points you made, HOWEVER: this is a very isolated incident with 3 or 4 boardmembers.. how can you attribute this to the etire forum? Don't think so. I've been posing and lurking for years, and this is by far the most welcoming and informative boards. The BMW forum at roadlfy is much more abriasive, as I was over there for years while I had my M3. I also was on all the Audiworld boards when I had my A4. You are WAY off to say that they are at a higher level than this board. Half of the posts on either site are a waste of time. "Noob" and "OWN3D" this and that.. bunch of BS. But at the same time they are a bit more technicaly and mechanicaly savy. But thats the nature of the owner/car.

Seriously, comparing this board to a honda board is BS. As stated, a few people went overboard. Happens. And yes it is really annoying at this point, I wish it would just stop.


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