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Spoke with the dealer about this car yesterday and they gave me partial info regarding service on this one and provided me with anything they could (I think they're being honest).
I've attached their response here;
February 2013 - Right cylinder head redone, exhaust manifold replaced, air pump replaced
March 2017 - Wheel barring's redone
July 2017 - AC refrigerant redone
Tires are at 8/32 and brakes are 10mm!
Also attached is the carproof report (like carfax in USA) and a mechanical inspection.
What do you guys think? Good enough or I need more questions? I will probably go test drive it this weekend.
I know the car you are talking about I live in Calgary as well
If you don't buy that one let me know as I have an 09 for sale with only 74K kms. Has all Mercedes maintenance since day 1. 2 Owner car. Silver. New front brakes. Needs nothing except windshield and rear rubber soonish (fronts brand new). Always stored in winter. $24K CDN but open to offers.
I bought a Porsche 911TT last month and cant justify this one anymore. Its been a very solid daily driver for work past 4-5 months.
I know the car you are talking about I live in Calgary as well
If you don't buy that one let me know as I have an 09 for sale with only 74K kms. Has all Mercedes maintenance since day 1. 2 Owner car. Silver. New front brakes. Needs nothing except windshield and rear rubber soonish (fronts brand new). Always stored in winter. $24K CDN but open to offers.
I bought a Porsche 911TT last month and cant justify this one anymore. Its been a very solid daily driver for work past 4-5 months.
Yes I found yours as well and I'm interested! Don't know how to PM though so I'll respond to your Kijiji ad. Congrats on the Porsche!
Now, I think that if you can negotiate any type of warranty, it would be in your best interest. Seeing that your ready to pull the trigger on this car.
Do you have any photos that you can post, the more the better.
Now, I think that if you can negotiate any type of warranty, it would be in your best interest. Seeing that your ready to pull the trigger on this car.
Do you have any photos that you can post, the more the better.
It looks like it has all the options includes the parking sensors and manual side screen in the rear, except for the cracked front bumper.
If I didn't already have one, I would be tempted to pull the trigger on this one.
It looks like it has all the options includes the parking sensors and manual side screen in the rear, except for the cracked front bumper.
If I didn't already have one, I would be tempted to pull the trigger on this one.
Well you certainly are making me feel all warm and fuzzy about it. However, my wife is the final obstacle here. She is adamant that I shouldn't be getting a used German car and should get something Japanese again or something brand new. We had a used BMW X3 a few years ago and it was nothing but a massive money pit. My wife has mental scarring from those times and she is worried. If you can convince me that a used German car is the way to go I'll be on board. I frikkin love this vehicle.....but love my marriage more.
I've had mine for 2 years and have put about 12,000 miles on it (84k on it now). The only thing I've had actually go wrong with the car was that it needed a new PCV valve. My housemate works at an indy MB shop and had it swapped out in our garage in under 20 minutes.
It does need a new driver's door handle right now. The keyless entry quit working on it. That's a very common issue with these cars as well.
Well I don't know of any easy way to convince your wife. But I would take her to view the car, and take a test drive, that might convince her. Also if you can obtain an extended warranty, that may sway her vote.
A well maintained German cars can be rather cheap to own, there are many AMG owner in this forum who can testify to this. But you will need to address any issues early and up front, then you can relax and enjoy the ride later.
AMG can be a money pit. Remember AMG stands for "All Money Gone" I know that this doesn't make you all warm of fuzzy all over. But it's reality, but it's relative. My car cost $108,000 US, 11 yrs ago, now it's worth maybe $26K.
Anyway, these cars still have the maintenance cost associated with a $100k car, that the truth, but the cost of maintenance can be mitigated or offset, by doing most of the work yourself, or finding a independent Mercedes shop.
Tell her that if she lets you buy this car, I'll take you on a trip to Hawaii, or something like that. You know your wife, do whatever it takes to convince her. This car might sale sooner rather then later, now that you publish the website for it.
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I've had mine for 2 years and have put about 12,000 miles on it (84k on it now). The only thing I've had actually go wrong with the car was that it needed a new PCV valve. My housemate works at an indy MB shop and had it swapped out in our garage in under 20 minutes.
It does need a new driver's door handle right now. The keyless entry quit working on it. That's a very common issue with these cars as well.
Keyless entry is not a luxury I really care about so if that's an issue it's not really an issue at all. PCV valve is not scary either. I'll take a good long look at the options in my city (have a forum member that has one I'll also be looking at) and go from there.
You guys/girls are awesome!
Well I don't know of any easy way to convince your wife. But I would take her to view the car, and take a test drive, that might convince her. Also if you can obtain an extended warranty, that may sway her vote.
A well maintained German cars can be rather cheap to own, there are many AMG owner in this forum who can testify to this. But you will need to address any issues early and up front, then you can relax and enjoy the ride later.
AMG can be a money pit. Remember AMG stands for "All Money Gone" I know that this doesn't make you all warm of fuzzy all over. But it's reality, but it's relative. My car cost $108,000 US, 11 yrs ago, now it's worth maybe $26K.
Anyway, these cars still have the maintenance cost associated with a $100k car, that the truth, but the cost of maintenance can be mitigated or offset, by doing most of the work yourself, or finding a independent Mercedes shop.
Tell her that if she lets you buy this car, I'll take you on a trip to Hawaii, or something like that. You know your wife, do whatever it takes to convince her. This car might sale sooner rather then later, now that you publish the website for it.
My fault
LOL!!! We just got back from Hawaii two weeks ago so that might not work. I need a new angle!!! Hahaha!
We already own a "baby" AMG (GLC43) so I love the performance but it's a brand new car so everything is under warranty. The wife is worried about things falling apart but that's only because of her prior experience with a BMW X3. I did research afterwards and it turns out there were a lot of cut corners on that vehicle and BMW didn't make a good machine in that one. I'm only assuming that an E class mercedes would be built with the highest standards of materials so I shouldn't have crappy plastic parts breaking etc. Lot's of things to consider. Won't know for sure until we go drive this thing.
To be totally honest, Audi, BMW and Mercedes are over reliant on electronic period, especially the newer cars. Well electronics fail overtime period.... The 2007-2009 aren't overly burden down with electronic.
The sunroof, the rear sunshade and a few others items, but that's about it. The E63 are very well built cars, and hold up well overtime. Your buying a quality vehicle that requires maintenance, just like any older vehicle period.
It just so happens to be a AMG, and it's maintenance and parts aren't cheap. But can be mitigated, as their are many suppliers with parts available, just surf the web to find them. It's funny, but I used to live on Oahu for 4 1/2 years.
I met my wife their, and got married there as well. Need anymore convincing, well every time I step on the throttle, I have a big smile on my face. These cars aren't slouches, they will go, also invest in a good quality radar detector, you'll need it.
To be totally honest, Audi, BMW and Mercedes are over reliant on electronic period, especially the newer cars. Well electronics fail overtime period.... The 2007-2009 aren't overly burden down with electronic.
The sunroof, the rear sunshade and a few others items, but that's about it. The E63 are very well built cars, and hold up well overtime. Your buying a quality vehicle that requires maintenance, just like any older vehicle period.
It just so happens to be a AMG, and it's maintenance and parts aren't cheap. But can be mitigated, as their are many suppliers with parts available, just surf the web to find them. It's funny, but I used to live on Oahu for 4 1/2 years.
I met my wife their, and got married there as well. Need anymore convincing, well every time I step on the throttle, I have a big smile on my face. These cars aren't slouches, they will go, also invest in a good quality radar detector, you'll need it.
Radar detector? YES! The vehicle I'm looking at comes with an illegal radar jammer as per the inspection the dealer forwarded over to me! Haha! I guess E63 owners all think alike.
As far as brakes go, I've managed to source both the 2 - piece front and single rear rotors and pads for $1000. How you may ask, a lot of research and time surfing the net, so it can be done.
Check the front brakes, measure them with a micrometer to verify how much life are left before replacement is needed. Typically, new rotors should out last at these two sets of brake pads, maybe three with ceramic pads.
I've owned several different AMG's over the last 9 yrs, and for the most part they've held up well. But their have been times, when something requires fixing, and when that happens.
AMG stands for "All Money Gone" because any parts that has AMG stamped on it, is expensive. I would set aside $3500 for those costly repairs.
Ask the dealership to produce documentation, that all the maintenance such as; engine coolant, brake fluid, engine oil, transmission fluid, rear differential fluids have been changed. and anything else relevant.
No one can tell you, that your buying a fantastic car, as this car is now 11 years old. Things break or wear out. Oil leaks happen, buttons stop working, etc, etc.
For the most part, I've haven't experienced any engine problems, other than leaky gaskets or o-rings. So no one can tell you whether you should or shouldn't buy this car.
It could be a liable daily driver like mine, or a money pit. But if you pull the trigger find yourself a good indy shop that has certified Mercedes techs working for them, that know AMG's.
I like that "AMG stands for All Money Gone" part! Good one! I recently heard "BMW stands for BM Trouble-You" which I thought was hilarious; when I was complaining to a friend about my BMW.
E63 scary parts:
1. Head bolts! When these fail, the whole engine goes. Some people have replaced them prematurely, but it's expensive to do it!
2. PCV valve.
3. Brake rotors are very expensive. There are cheaper alternatives if you go non-Mercedes parts.
4. Airmatic suspension. $5K fixes for the airmatic suspension aren't uncommon.
5. The fuel bill. If you daily drive this thing, you can expect a tremendous fuel bill.
E63 not scary parts:
1. Tires aren't too expensive for a car of this power level, mainly because Mercedes-Benz decided to put skinny 265 tires in the back. I've seen electric cars with wider tires!
2. Brakes last a long time. Longer than the average car. Large surface area, thick pad.
For the E63, I'd consider the BMW m5 V10; that's a really special car; it's got different kinds of problems (engine rod bearings) but doesn't have an air suspension. In many ways more special than the E63. The fuel bill on that one is even worse! And the tank is tiny. But it's good as a weekend car, the V10 E60 M5 behaves like an exotic of the circa 2005 era. Great chassis too, solid, minimal flex, great balance, even better steering than an E55/63 (E63 has much better steering than an E55).
Yes head bolts can be an issue, I never had an issue with either of my three AMGs with the M156 engine. I have replaced my PCV valve. I replaced my worn out brakes with all OEM parts for under a $1000. My car is a daily driver, and the fuel bill is minimal.
The biggest issues with the E63 is head bolts, and possibly camshafts and valve tappets if worn. As for the airmatic suspension replacement parts are readily available. So everything is manageable. I found these brake rotors on eBay.
And FCP Euro sells them with a life time warranty. In fact all of their parts are warrantied for life.
Yes head bolts can be an issue, I never had an issue with either of my three AMGs with the M156 engine. I have replaced my PCV valve. I replaced my worn out brakes with all OEM parts for under a $1000. My car is a daily driver, and the fuel bill is minimal.
The biggest issues with the E63 is head bolts, and possibly camshafts and valve tappets if worn. As for the airmatic suspension replacement parts are readily available. So everything is manageable.
Ok so how can I check the head bolts? It's not like I can open up the engine and look? This is what worries me. The car looks like it's been well taken care of but it's a known issue with this type of engine so not sure how I can check this. Getting some sort of warranty would be my best bet against this and I would gladly pay the premium so I can sleep easy.
There isn't a way to check without removing the valve covers, and checking to see if you have the new or old head bolts. If possible negotiate with the dealership, and have them replaced as part of the negotiation and factor that into the price.
I've personally never had any head bolt issues, and many C63, E63 and S63 owners haven't either. It's just one of those rare occasions that pop up, but it's well documented that they can fail.
Radar detector? YES! The vehicle I'm looking at comes with an illegal radar jammer as per the inspection the dealer forwarded over to me! Haha! I guess E63 owners all think alike.
I have a passport 9500ci radar with laser shifters/jammers installed in my E63, save my butt from getting a ticket numerous times.
On thing no one has mentioned, if you crash it, you will probably walk away. Even if it's bad. Besides all the air bags and gadgetry, these cars are really really strong. My first one absolutely saved my life when I hit a moose at 63 mph. That's worth the cost of maintenance.
Also, I feel that buying from a Benz dealership is a big plus. Shortly after leaving the dealer with mine the SRS light went off. I turned back around and they replaced the steering angle sensor in an hour - apologizing profusely. Dealerships have reputations to care about, they don’t want to sell a junk car.
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