W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

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Old 05-14-2019, 07:34 PM
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I keep forgetting that this is really an E55 forum, and you guys are all stuck with the old transmission programming Lol. I would also wager that was the first fluid/filter change done on the transmission in ... how many years of the cars existence? Based on the way you replaced your intercooler pump in the DIY in your link, you could have any number of issues connected with the way you "changed the fluid and filter" on your transmission and the subsequent way it operates "slowly" when the 722.643 is anything but.
I put new fluid in and test at 25 and 80C with the dipstick. Is that totally wrong? I have another 8L of transmission fluid on the shelf, should I use it all and report back?

What would you like me to change on the intercooler DIY? I do not want to mislead anyone.
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Originally Posted by tw2
I put new fluid in and test at 25 and 80C with the dipstick. Is that totally wrong? I have another 8L of transmission fluid on the shelf, should I use it all and report back?

What would you like me to change on the intercooler DIY? I do not want to mislead anyone.
Based on his comment on your thread, looks like he takes issue with jumping the sam to activate the pump. He wants people to either buy a $200 tool or use STAR which many don’t have.
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Based on his comment on your thread, looks like he takes issue with jumping the sam to activate the pump. He wants people to either buy a $200 tool or use STAR which many don’t have.
I've just seen it, I didn't realize it was such a dangerous procedure.
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I've just seen it, I didn't realize it was such a dangerous procedure.
Its not for people that have basic mechanical skills
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As everyone said, 55 is more reliable and cheaper to mod, aside from that, if you are keeping it stock, then the E63 is better.
Its more refined, faster transmission, nice exhaust and looks more aggressive.
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what a bizarre and specific technical detail to get so bent out of shape over
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Originally Posted by Sulaco
what a bizarre and specific technical detail to get so bent out of shape over
Im not bent out of shape i dont like people acting like their any better than anyone because i fix cars. I just like proving someone their wrong as well 😁
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well that escalated quickly!
Lmao agreed
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the 55 isn't really "faster" than the 63 but it feels faster much more of the time since there's more immediate torque from a much lower rpm, and as has been said before with a simple tune or pulley it'll be faster every time (providing the cooling is up to the task)

the M113 / 722.6 combo has also proven itself to be more reliable (see the YT channel legitstreetcars), and yes the 5 speed is "slow" but feels just as good as anything when you step on the kickdown button and the shifts at full throttle with the trans in S are quick enough that you feel consistent thrust the whole time

don't expect it to be a good track car or transmission, if you act like it's a DCT then yea it'll feel super slow... but if you use the E55 for its intended purpose of being a luxury speed sled, it's a perfect transmission and when you wanna just trundle along it shifts nice and smoothly

if you drive in a smooth manner and sort of "get to know" the car it's a perfect transmission, people who've said the E55 would be better with a manual are really just closet BMW drivers and don't want a full luxury experience... the E55 is perfect for the person who wants a car that's as comfortable and smooth as possible most of the time, but will violently erupt into action when you hit the gas
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If you want to mod, E55. If you want to keep it stock E63.
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If you want to mod, E55. If you want to keep it stock E63.
what does the modding have to do with it?
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I don’t know??? Might be challenging for 55 to compete with 63 on looks and appearance! Lol, My unbiased opinion; 55 all the way!


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Another e55 https://youtu.be/6N52NtjRbVY sorry their all the same
You're so ****ing stupid you don't even realize you're comparing a piece of software on a digital display to an analog gauge being driven by CAN data.

The PDK transmissions --- as with almost all dual clutch transmissions --- shift very fast. The F1 Trac in my other car shifts so fast, it basically doesn't exist.

But there's no point in having a conversation with someone so inept, retarded, and ignorant that you don't know the difference between software and real data.
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Originally Posted by equitiesguy
You're so ****ing stupid you don't even realize you're comparing a piece of software on a digital display to an analog gauge being driven by CAN data.

The PDK transmissions --- as with almost all dual clutch transmissions --- shift very fast. The F1 Trac in my other car shifts so fast, it basically doesn't exist.

But there's no point in having a conversation with someone so inept, retarded, and ignorant that you don't know the difference between software and real data.
Comparing the W211 E63 vs E55 it's quite apparent the 63 722.9 is much faster.

Don't give any of that BS about can bus data; 63 and 55 have the same can bus baud rate and latency.

Even my e500 722.9 is faster than the 722.6 in my CL55
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Originally Posted by equitiesguy
You're so ****ing stupid you don't even realize you're comparing a piece of software on a digital display to an analog gauge being driven by CAN data.

The PDK transmissions --- as with almost all dual clutch transmissions --- shift very fast. The F1 Trac in my other car shifts so fast, it basically doesn't exist.

But there's no point in having a conversation with someone so inept, retarded, and ignorant that you don't know the difference between software and real data.
Ahhhh poor sparky got owned by a lowly grease monkey its ok to admit ur wrong we all know it ... well except for you 🤪🤣

I know exactly what i posted an what it was i made a point to show an s65, 2 E55s, 1 E63, and a real porsche if those dont prove that your a complete moron then you seriously are beyond any help. But hey there lil guy I'm sure you have a bunch of high school kids you can try and impress with your lack of intelligence. If your going to make a statement at least be able to back it up .... kinda like i did.

The 722.9 clearly is a faster shifting transmission than the 722.6. If u wanna show me one thats fast thats fine and im sure it can be made to be fast but have to see one that shifts fast.

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This is by far the fastest shifting e55 i found and it has a modified valve body and its still slow compared with the 722.9 below the e55.
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you're comparing the 722.6 to the 722.9 MCT...not really a fair comparison.
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Originally Posted by hachiroku
you're comparing the 722.6 to the 722.9 MCT...not really a fair comparison.
No its not a fair comparison i was comparing it cus it was asked based on speed of the trans 722.6 versus the e63 722.9 and that was the point ..... 722.6 is slow 722.9 is much quicker thats fact only a moron would continue to try and say differently. Of course the newer the car the better they shift as tech gets better.
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the 722.9 comes in torque converter and MCT versions...they differ in speed as well.
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Originally Posted by hachiroku
the 722.9 comes in torque converter and MCT versions...they differ in speed as well.
I know i did post a tq converter one as well earlier
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Originally Posted by stroock6394

don't expect it to be a good track car or transmission, if you act like it's a DCT then yea it'll feel super slow... but if you use the E55 for its intended purpose of being a luxury speed sled, it's a perfect transmission and when you wanna just trundle along it shifts nice and smoothly

if you drive in a smooth manner and sort of "get to know" the car it's a perfect transmission, people who've said the E55 would be better with a manual are really just closet BMW drivers and don't want a full luxury experience... the E55 is perfect for the person who wants a car that's as comfortable and smooth as possible most of the time, but will violently erupt into action when you hit the gas
Well said...and from personal experience, when I first became interested in the W211 I naturally thought...E63! It's newer and has more HP...then I looked beyond the surface and saw that, while less HP, the 55 has more torque and, most importantly, a Supercharger which makes modding much easier and rewarding in terms of ROI...forced induction will always trump NA for me.
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Originally Posted by stroock6394
what does the modding have to do with it?
only everything!


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