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Another W211 M156 back out on the road (I see a few C's here and there but NEVER any E's)! Completed head-bolts, new exhaust and intake cams, and tappets! Surprislingy the original HB had little to no corrosion but was def still fun tearing it down and building it back up without a doubt! Busted it out over a weekend roughly taking 20 hrs total! And a ton of other maintenance since I took ownership! It still surprises me that this type of performance was available 12+ years ago for the public, then theres the E55, even older...JEEEEZZZ. Some snaps..
Strigoi- you make this comment quite often. I would estimate 1-2% would fail. E55's have enough failure points to go around, their failures tend to more numerous, much more common but easier to fix. I nearly purchased W211 and W212 M156 E63's on more then one occasion.
I personally love the M156, and have owned (3) different AMG's with this engine. And I totally agree, that the head bolt failure phenomena is overrated. But I went ahead and done mine anyway.
When my head bolts were removed back in Sept., (5) of them had light corrosion. My mechanic and I, both agreed that they could have been left alone.
But their always that little suspicion, of they might fail in the future. Now I never have to worry about it again. And I totally agree that E55's have more issues than the E63's.
Mainly because their older. And as our cars get even older, more problems will inevitably pop up.
2009 E63 AMG WAGON 2018 BMW M5 2008 BMW 550i 2006 BMW Z4
Originally Posted by E55Greasemonkey
Just last week I saw firsthand headbolt failure on a stock, garage kept 2009 C63 with 20k miles. So it's still happening as these engines age.
Any photos to support that ? History of the car ? Or just trying to make E55 crowd feel better ?
all of this headbolt s**t starting to be annoying. Let’s replace an engine in every car as a preventative measure because it will fail eventually. Just live with it and fix once it happens. It shouldn’t be a big of an issue for someone that owns AMG car.
Last edited by Rafichicago; 02-26-2020 at 12:17 PM.
Any photos to support that ? History of the car ? Or just trying to make E55 crowd feel better ?
all of this headbolt s**t starting to be annoying. Let’s replace an engine in every car as a preventative measure because it will fail eventually. Just live with it and fix once it happens. It shouldn’t be a big of an issue for someone that owns AMG car.
Ok, let me whip out my man card for you. Hopefully you won't feel too stupid.
2009 E63 AMG WAGON 2018 BMW M5 2008 BMW 550i 2006 BMW Z4
Now check for yourself how many of those engines were made. Not saying it doesn’t happen. It happens. It is overblown can be fixed like any other issue. Many owners are happy without this issue and they will not post on forum. Neither this one or others for that matter. It can be fixed for about $3,5 k. I will however not worry about it and fix it once needed. Simple as that.
Another W211 M156 back out on the road (I see a few C's here and there but NEVER any E's)! Completed head-bolts, new exhaust and intake cams, and tappets! Surprislingy the original HB had little to no corrosion but was def still fun tearing it down and building it back up without a doubt! Busted it out over a weekend roughly taking 20 hrs total! And a ton of other maintenance since I took ownership! It still surprises me that this type of performance was available 12+ years ago for the public, then theres the E55, even older...JEEEEZZZ. Some snaps..
Glad your having fun with it and getting it taken care of! The HP and technology is badass for the age of the cats. All these W211s are fun for no matter if it’s a E55 or E63.
Man! the rest of you guys need to give the headbolt issue topic a rest! Gets old hearing about this all the time. There are plenty of threads on it already.
Ranks up there with all the header and muffler threads. Lol.
2009 E63 AMG WAGON 2018 BMW M5 2008 BMW 550i 2006 BMW Z4
Originally Posted by tlambert
Man! the rest of you guys need to give the headbolt issue topic a rest! Gets old hearing about this all the time. There are plenty of threads on it already.
Ranks up there with all the header and muffler threads. Lol.
Do not forget about best oil for this car. Oh. And headbolts 😂
Another W211 M156 back out on the road (I see a few C's here and there but NEVER any E's)! Completed head-bolts, new exhaust and intake cams, and tappets! Surprislingy the original HB had little to no corrosion but was def still fun tearing it down and building it back up without a doubt! Busted it out over a weekend roughly taking 20 hrs total! And a ton of other maintenance since I took ownership! It still surprises me that this type of performance was available 12+ years ago for the public, then theres the E55, even older...JEEEEZZZ. Some snaps..
great work getting it up and going again!
And once again, the forum proves that the E-class owners are THE MOST sensitive of all the 55 and 63 owners. Jeesh.
I’m super glad he is working on his own car and getting it kicking ***! I love these types of repair and build threads. That’s what my thread is about.
Im not sensitive just gets old seeing the same thing being beat to death.
User09 sorry about your thread highjack. Keep up the good work and posting more of your car.
Don't forget about these threads: What size supercharger pulley is best, 77 or 83mm, or what inter-cooler pump should I choose. Or what offset wheels are you guy using to fit the widest tire under the rear fenders.
2009 E63 AMG WAGON 2018 BMW M5 2008 BMW 550i 2006 BMW Z4
And not forget about tuning the hell out of this bulletproof m113k engine that complain about how it wouldn’t hold up and how crappy of a design the car is. That list could go on and on. That is what happens when adults are get rid of those cars and their kids start driving them...
Kudos to O.P. For a great work. Since for most tires brakes and oil changes are the indication of well maintained vehicle.
Last edited by Rafichicago; 02-26-2020 at 02:49 PM.
Strigoi- you make this comment quite often. I would estimate 1-2% would fail. E55's have enough failure points to go around, their failures tend to more numerous, much more common but easier to fix. I nearly purchased W211 and W212 M156 E63's on more then one occasion.
Originally Posted by tlambert
Glad your having fun with it and getting it taken care of! The HP and technology is badass for the age of the cats. All these W211s are fun for no matter if it’s a E55 or E63.
Originally Posted by swohio
great work getting it up and going again!
And once again, the forum proves that the E-class owners are THE MOST sensitive of all the 55 and 63 owners. Jeesh.
Originally Posted by tlambert
I’m super glad he is working on his own car and getting it kicking ***! I love these types of repair and build threads. That’s what my thread is about.
Im not sensitive just gets old seeing the same thing being beat to death.
User09 sorry about your thread highjack. Keep up the good work and posting more of your car.
Originally Posted by Rafichicago
And not forget about tuning the hell out of this bulletproof m113k engine that complain about how it wouldn’t hold up and how crappy of a design the car is. That list could go on and on. That is what happens when adults are get rid of those cars and their kids start driving them...
Kudos to O.P. For a great work. Since for most tires brakes and oil changes are the indication of well maintained vehicle.
Originally Posted by anomadtoo
congrats on knocking all that out OP; wish I had the know how and courage to do cams myself
Appreciate it greatly guys! Thankfully I had previous experience's and successful times with rebuilding engines starting from the block, not trying to brag but this was very easy and simple! Setting up timing was the easiest I've EVER done! I have only once messed up timing on a diff vehicle, had it all put back together in the car and would not start, had to pull the engine and do all over again! A nightmare but def leaned from it haha.
With that begin said, EVERYONE STOP BEING AFRAID TO TURN A WRENCH ON THESE CARS! Everyone or at least mostly everyone on here is always saying "oh no, working on an AMG is way way far more complicated than any other thing on planet earth" NO, a combustion engine is a combustion engine when you break it down to, it is not anymore complex than a 150hp 4 cyc Civic to a 900+ DTM race car. Hell they still use the M156 today in racing. Why you ask? Because like I said, a combustion engine is a combustion engine. DO NOT COME HERE AND TELL ME DIFFERENT! ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE THE ONE THAT TAKES YOUR CAR TO THE DEALER OR TO AN INDY FOR REPAIRS OR SERVICE (ABSOLUTELY no offense to anyone that does but dont tell me otherwise if you never even attempted).
I hate all these cocky *** AMG owners trying to talk someone down (that Yullie guy) basically saying "your not good enough to own a car like this so f**k off... My example below: (OP here https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...156-sound.html)
He really had to go and calculate the prices for me?? Then saying "So you see this isn't an easy fix." Well yullie this is my f**k you to you, I did the head bolt swap and cams and lifters. You go ahead and keep on taking your car to someone else to fix.
Im just really tired of people like this that's all.
I just want to be someone one here that can help people and let them know these cars are not rocket science. To add you are not redesigning or engineering anything new, you're just simply taking it apart and putting back together.
I've done TONS of other things to this car so far so if you need help, I'm pretty sure I can be some guidance.
Also to add although it says I'm a "newbie", not really. I had another account for awhile before this one but used my real name as my user name (I know rookie move). So made a new one to be more anonymous i guess??....
Sometimes its difficult to hear how people are saying things or meaning things because all of this is printed words. Don’t think he meant anything bad by it. Just trying to point out it’s expensive to have the cars repaired if you’re not doing it all yourself.
I’ve met a lot of people over the years that could do anything put in front of them. Had a friend like that we nicknamed him McGyver. Lol. but also seen people that couldn’t check the oil in a car much less change it.
I use to be a Collision Repair instructor so I’ve had all types of students and they eventually turn into adults that can do anything put in front of them or only what they specialize in.
As we get older sometimes it’s not about not knowing how but having the time to get it done!
Appreciate it greatly guys! Thankfully I had previous experience's and successful times with rebuilding engines starting from the block, not trying to brag but this was very easy and simple! Setting up timing was the easiest I've EVER done! I have only once messed up timing on a diff vehicle, had it all put back together in the car and would not start, had to pull the engine and do all over again! A nightmare but def leaned from it haha.
With that begin said, EVERYONE STOP BEING AFRAID TO TURN A WRENCH ON THESE CARS! Everyone or at least mostly everyone on here is always saying "oh no, working on an AMG is way way far more complicated than any other thing on planet earth" NO, a combustion engine is a combustion engine when you break it down to, it is not anymore complex than a 150hp 4 cyc Civic to a 900+ DTM race car. Hell they still use the M156 today in racing. Why you ask? Because like I said, a combustion engine is a combustion engine. DO NOT COME HERE AND TELL ME DIFFERENT! ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE THE ONE THAT TAKES YOUR CAR TO THE DEALER OR TO AN INDY FOR REPAIRS OR SERVICE (ABSOLUTELY no offense to anyone that does but dont tell me otherwise if you never even attempted).
I hate all these cocky *** AMG owners trying to talk someone down (that Yullie guy) basically saying "your not good enough to own a car like this so f**k off... My example below: (OP here https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...156-sound.html)
He really had to go and calculate the prices for me?? Then saying "So you see this isn't an easy fix." Well yullie this is my f**k you to you, I did the head bolt swap and cams and lifters. You go ahead and keep on taking your car to someone else to fix.
Im just really tired of people like this that's all.
I just want to be someone one here that can help people and let them know these cars are not rocket science. To add you are not redesigning or engineering anything new, you're just simply taking it apart and putting back together.
I've done TONS of other things to this car so far so if you need help, I'm pretty sure I can be some guidance.
Also to add although it says I'm a "newbie", not really. I had another account for awhile before this one but used my real name as my user name (I know rookie move). So made a new one to be more anonymous i guess??....
User09,
Your just making all kinds of new friends on here today. And for your information, I never told anyone, "your not good enough to own a car like this" So watch your mouth.
Old proverb: "In times of great joy, do not promise anything. In times of great anger, do not answer."
Get to know the crowd before throwing rocks at them.Vast majority of folks on here are good people and each has their own personality. I prefer to think of it as a friendly rivalry between the E55 and E63 crowd; we can bust on each other but if anyone outside the E55/E63 group comes in and messes with one of us the whole team will turn on the outsider.
Break: got a call from the indy Mercedes shop yesterday (took my car in to let them do some work I didn't feel like performing). The mechanic asked me if I could drive over so he could show me something on my car not related to the work requested (not the kind of phone call I want to receive). Turns out the 6203ZZC3 bearing in the supercharger idler pulley was failing after only 30,000 miles and the mechanic caught it (good job, Mad Mick!). Afterwards spent time with the owner (former MB technician of several decades) discussing the SL63 (beautiful car!) in front of his shop that was in for preemptive replacement of the head bolts. He's planning on the "one bolt at a time approach" and wanted my opinion about that approach based upon the information in this sub-forum. Good times!
02-26-2020, 01:59 AM
You can make fun of them, but you can't fault someone that is passionate about their AMG.
