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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 12:31 PM
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Hey guys,

As we all know our engines (55K) are relatively loud under normal circumstances. My previous oil change I used 0W-40 Amsoil. What is everyone else running?

Could I run a 5W or 10W and maybe quiet down all the tic tacs flying around in there?

Also I live in Toronto and it can get pretty cold out here on occasion (-30 Celsius worst case)

Any input much appreciated

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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 12:52 PM
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I run 5W-40 Mobil1 . Mine is pretty ticky, but 155k miles and still runs strong. I'm hesitant to go to a heavier weight due to our oil pump quirks.

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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 01:47 PM
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I use Bizol 0w-40 and 5w-40. Makes the oil pump whine MUCH more quiet. Also don't worry about the " ticks". When I first bought the car and heard it being driven off the shipping truck I was like...jesus my Crown Victoria with 250,000 miles is dead silent compared to this engine !!

Also I changed everything in my engine when I had it out and it changed nothing as far as engine noise LOL It is what it is.
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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 01:48 PM
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These engines aren’t smooth and they’re definitely not quiet, that’s just how it is. Plain old M1 0W40 gets the job done for me.
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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 02:22 PM
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Yeah with this Amsoil 0-40 my oil pump whines like crazy!
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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 02:47 PM
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Yea I had three oil pumps apart and there is nothing wrong with them. It's just the design with the triple gear set up.
I put a brand new pump in my engine build and there was no change. Imagine my surprise when we fired it up for the first time !!! LOL
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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by E55Greasemonkey
I run 5W-40 Mobil1 here in Florida. Mine is pretty ticky, but 155k miles and still runs strong. I'm hesitant to go to a heavier weight due to our oil pump quirks.
I live in Miami mine has 92k miles should I run that too?
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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by E55Greasemonkey
I run 5W-40 Mobil1 here in Florida. Mine is pretty ticky, but 155k miles and still runs strong. I'm hesitant to go to a heavier weight due to our oil pump quirks.
Can you explain the quirks? I think these engines run on very low oil pressure when it's hot. I ordered an AEM oil pressure gauge because of the lifter noise when hot but absent on cold starts. Last time I checked it my engine was brand new and I used an external gauge. I hovered around 12psi . But in much cooler conditions.

I'm thinking about going to 0w50 in the summer. Any reasons I should not do it???
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It is comical because my cold start is 100 psi and 15 psi hot ??????
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Originally Posted by SICAMG
It is comical because my cold start is 100 psi and 15 psi hot ??????
That is normal, when cold the oil is thicker. Mine behaves in the same way. I don't understand why people go to 5wXX.
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Originally Posted by Pieter Schepers
That is normal, when cold the oil is thicker. Mine behaves in the same way. I don't understand why people go to 5wXX.
So is it ill advised to switch to a thicker 5W-40 oil? Should i just accept the noise for what it is and keep running the 0W-40?

I am just curious what would the worst case ramifications be if i ran the 5W?
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So is it ill advised to switch to a thicker 5W-40 oil? Should i just accept the noise for what it is and keep running the 0W-40?

I am just curious what would the worst case ramifications be if i ran the 5W?
The number before the W is the thickness of the oil when cold and the number behind the W is the thickness when hot. Since these engines have enough oil pressure when cold but not when hot 0w50 is a far more better oil to use then 5W40 in my opinion.

https://www.buygreatoil.com/oil-viscosity-explained
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I know it will be higher cold than hot clearly but an 85psi swing ???? Little crazy compared to other race engines I built. At least when I had an 75-80 psi cold I would have 40 psi hot on my small block Ford's !!
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Originally Posted by jm6001
Also I live in Toronto and it can get pretty cold out here on occasion (-30 Celsius worst case)
Hard to beat Mobil 1 0W-40 for your use case.
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Here’s my take on this, if you live in a cold climate where the temps fall below freezing, then you need to go with a thinner weight oil, to help the oil flow thru out your engine, but not so thick that it’s like maple syrup.

If you live in a hot and humid climate where temp reach 100 degrees or more daily then a thicker weight oil like 5W-40 might work best for you.

But if we look back at what BMW recommended in their M3’s and M5’s back in the day, their oil was to thick to flow thru their engines, and they suffered from main bearing issues.

Also oil serves three purposes; lubrication, cooling and cleaning. And if it’s to thick to flow, it will not accomplish any of these purposes, and you will have big issues.

So choose wisely🤔

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Old Jun 25, 2020 | 10:31 PM
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I had no idea the topic of “oil” could be talked about so much. This ranks up there with the header and muffler threads.
and headbolts.

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Old Jun 26, 2020 | 06:36 AM
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Old Jun 26, 2020 | 07:03 AM
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Hey why not ? LOL 90% of people can't even rebuild there transmission or engine and it doesn't get much simpler than that on these cars if you are going to own one so might as well add more oil talk to keep things moving.

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Originally Posted by Yuille36
Here’s my take on this, if you live in a cold climate where the temps fall below freezing, then you need to go with a thinner weight oil, to help the oil flow thru out your engine, but not so thick that it’s like maple syrup.

If you live in a hot and humid climate where temp reach 100 degrees or more daily then a thicker weight oil like 5W-40 might work best for you.

But if we look back at what BMW recommended in their M3’s and M5’s back in the day, their oil was to thick to flow thru their engines, and they suffered from main bearing issues.

Also oil serves three purposes; lubrication, cooling and cleaning. And if it’s to thick to flow, it will not accomplish any of these purposes, and you will have big issues.

So choose wisely🤔
Good points here.

The issue with BMW/M was that they designed engines spec'd for 10W60 which is just not compatible for any cold climate. People didn't know any better and trusted the factory spec, so they had a right to be livid when rod bearings started to fail.

Spec and climate are two equally important considerations to selecting a specific oil for your specific use case.

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I had no idea the topic of “oil” could be talked about so much.
BITOG will probably blow your mind then.
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BITOG - https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php
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I bet there is probably a forum strictly for m156 head bolts too. Lol.
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Originally Posted by tlambert
BITOG^^^^^^^wow.

I bet there is probably a forum strictly for m156 head bolts too. Lol.
And they are still breaking! It's not the mileage, it's the time. I personally know of 2 engines so far this year...an '09 C63 with 22k miles and a '08 ML63 with 82k miles.
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Originally Posted by HLG600
Good points here.

The issue with BMW/M was that they designed engines spec'd for 10W60 which is just not compatible for any cold climate. People didn't know any better and trusted the factory spec, so they had a right to be livid when rod bearings started to
It is, just not with an angry BMW driver ready to floor it the minute they start the car.
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Originally Posted by E55Greasemonkey
And they are still breaking! It's not the mileage, it's the time. I personally know of 2 engines so far this year...an '09 C63 with 22k miles and a '08 ML63 with 82k miles.
Just think about the total number of M156 engine that we’re built, tens of thousands. And out of all of those maybe 1% suffered from broken head bolts. Just saying......
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