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"Must see video: 2xLambo, NSX-R, 911Turbo, F360 and M3 CSL on track"

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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 02:06 PM
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"Must see video: 2xLambo, NSX-R, 911Turbo, F360 and M3 CSL on track"

from Eric over at RS6.com
Those that take their E55's to the track might find it interesting.
VIDEO Here (save as)
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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 02:44 PM
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Duhh..... 996TT lost from NSX?? More power, AWD, german eng..... must be the driver
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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 07:18 PM
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that nsx driver took killer lines to stay ahead as long as he did, very impressive. no s the lambos won but that was awesome.
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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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saw it last week. IMO not a very good race

For the first half, I thought it was an NSX commercial. The last three cars were too far behind. And the CSL beat the 911 turbo and was on par in straight line acceleration with the 360?

love those straight line acceleration of those Lambos though
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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Old May 8, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon200
saw it last week. IMO not a very good race

For the first half, I thought it was an NSX commercial. The last three cars were too far behind. And the CSL beat the 911 turbo and was on par in straight line acceleration with the 360?

love those straight line acceleration of those Lambos though
I have seen several of videos made from those crazy Japs. Fun to whatch, but I have a feeling that the results they get is not always due to the performance of the cars involved. Some of the drivers are extremly agresive. Last video I saw a driver managed to run a 360 of the road by hitting it when he tried to pass on the inside.

Conserning this video. the 996 Turbo was an automatic and that makes the Porsche quite a bit slower. I would expect the 996 to be faster or at least equally fast as the 2 Lambos on a racetrack. The NSX-R is much faster than most guys give it credit for, but NOT faster than any of the cars involved in this race. The CSL is NOT as fast as the 996 T in straigh line, almost as fast as the 360 BUT definatly as fast as both of the in the twisties, probably faster.

I also have a feeling after whatching the video that the NSX driver got the lead a little to easy for it to have been realistic.

Anyway it was fun to whatch
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Old May 8, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon200
saw it last week. IMO not a very good race

For the first half, I thought it was an NSX commercial. The last three cars were too far behind. And the CSL beat the 911 turbo and was on par in straight line acceleration with the 360?

love those straight line acceleration of those Lambos though
Don't find anything wrong with that since the CSL laps the Nurburgring faster than a 911 turbo and has nearly identical acceleration figures to the Ferrari 360.
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Old May 8, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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THAT.....is...EXACTLY....what I want to happen with New M5 and E63. Only then can we put this BS to rest.....

Oh now.....here we go again!!!
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Old May 8, 2005 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Erik

Conserning this video. the 996 Turbo was an automatic and that makes the Porsche quite a bit slower.
You couldn't be more wrong on this point. When the 996TT was first released, it was widely publicized that the Tiptronic cars were consistently faster on the track. In fact, in Porsche circles, it is widely known that driver Hurley Haywood favors the Tiptronic 996TT for this very reason. Granted, an automatic Porsche is not for everyone, and many argue that it takes away some of the fun, but the consistency of an auto tranny is what gives it the advantage. It also happens to be the same tranny we enjoy in our E55's.
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Old May 8, 2005 | 06:47 PM
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You couldn't be more wrong on this point. When the 996TT was first released, it was widely publicized that the Tiptronic cars were consistently faster on the track. In fact, in Porsche circles, it is widely known that driver Hurley Haywood favors the Tiptronic 996TT for this very reason. Granted, an automatic Porsche is not for everyone, and many argue that it takes away some of the fun, but the consistency of an auto tranny is what gives it the advantage. It also happens to be the same tranny we enjoy in our E55's.

You sure about that? I must admit I have not seen any track times comparing the 2 so that was based on "common sence".
You may be right but that is very suprising, to put it mildly....
The thing I am sure of is that the 996T manuel is faster in straight line.

Anyway the car is fast regardless of type of gearbox
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Old May 8, 2005 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by medici78
You couldn't be more wrong on this point. When the 996TT was first released, it was widely publicized that the Tiptronic cars were consistently faster on the track. In fact, in Porsche circles, it is widely known that driver Hurley Haywood favors the Tiptronic 996TT for this very reason. Granted, an automatic Porsche is not for everyone, and many argue that it takes away some of the fun, but the consistency of an auto tranny is what gives it the advantage. It also happens to be the same tranny we enjoy in our E55's.
I agree, you can easily get better lap times with the auto sport mode on in the E55's!
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Old May 8, 2005 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Erik
You sure about that? I must admit I have not seen any track times comparing the 2 so that was based on "common sence".
You may be right but that is very suprising, to put it mildly....
The thing I am sure of is that the 996T manuel is faster in straight line.

Anyway the car is fast regardless of type of gearbox
I don't see what is so surprising? The driver doesnt have to concentrate on proper shifting, heel-toe, etc. and can concentrate more on corners. Even the most die-hard 6-speed drivers will concede that the Tiptronic is faster on the track. In a 1/4 mile, given equal cars, auto vs. manual trans, my money will always be on the guy with the auto. The last remaining parameter where the 6-speed would probably have the advantage is on the top end highway runs.
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Old May 8, 2005 | 11:38 PM
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that nsx driver took killer lines to stay ahead as long as he did, very impressive. no s the lambos won but that was awesome.

NSX's are very slow when compared to that company. Having owned one after my 911 TT I found it rather disappointing speed wise but it still handled like a go-cart. When the NSX came out in the early 90's it was a monster but after a decade of very little change, many every day cars can out run it in a straight line.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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911 Tubro Tip is 0.6 slower to 62 then 6 speed stick...

I dont think that tiptronic would be faster on track...With a driver who can handle the stick ...
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Old May 16, 2005 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 04E55 AMG
NSX's are very slow when compared to that company. Having owned one after my 911 TT I found it rather disappointing speed wise but it still handled like a go-cart. When the NSX came out in the early 90's it was a monster but after a decade of very little change, many every day cars can out run it in a straight line.
Dont forgett the car in this video is the NSX-R, and that one is much faster than the normal NSX. Especially on a track.
The NSX is definatly NOT my kind of car, but its quite capable considering the tiny engine. Totaly overpriced also IMO...

Just for fun, here is a link where it can be compared to the fantastic CLK DTM monster of AMG.
Even if it is totaly destroyed in straight line it puts up a good fight on both the "ring" and on Hockenheim. Also note that the DTM car is on special R- tires where the NSX use "normal" tires.
http://www.track-challenge.com/compa...ar1=52&Car2=83


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911 Tubro Tip is 0.6 slower to 62 then 6 speed stick...

I dont think that tiptronic would be faster on track...With a driver who can handle the stick ...

I have to agree with M5 rus with this, I cant understand why a auto 996T should be faster on a track when it is definatly slower in any straigh line exercise ( quite a lot to accoring to tests in Europe), at least in the hand of a competent driver....
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Hey my first post my names Hunter I'm 20 years old , just bought my first car a 2004 e55 AMG , I'm hoping I can make many friends on here who can help me learn all about my vehicle , I will be actively on here as I finally get to put in work I have a passion for vehicles but never had the chance to own one or work on one so this is the start of it all for me , I'm a quick learner , see things from all angles & I observe . So I'm very excited to learn from everyone here so I can use that knowledge and pass it on to others who wish to learn , thanks ! , please reply I will be posting once a day with all the specs of my new vehicle and things I want to address and how you guys can help me fix or service myself or guide me in the right direction to professionals , THANKS !
Hunter,

Welcome. As a quick learner and one who observes from all angles you should probably of clicked "new thread" rather than post in one that is 11 years old.

Also, a high performance German sedan probably wasn't the best car to learn on.

You are welcome for the reply.
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