Ted Baldwin

............There will be an E65. It will not have the twin turbo V12. Instead it will have the same engine as the Mclaren SLR. The car will be less heavy than the SLR, so you can imagine how it will perform. Supposedly, it is less expensive tyo use the SLR engine than the twin turbo v12 because the engine bay for the w211 will have had to undergo extensive reconstruction to accommodate the v12. I heard all this from a pretty reliable source, but who knows with these things.

Ted

Bilal

The E55 is heavier than the SLR by some 200kgs.

The E65 if it has the same engine, will probably be the same weight as the E55 if not heavier due to 19inch rims and those massive 65-only AMG brakes. The SLR is only as quick as it is due to its 7000rpm redline and 3.06 final ratio. The E65, if it uses this engine will probably have a 2.82 or 2.65 final ratio.

Sounds very suspect to me. But I'd love it if they did build one I much prefer the noise of the supercharged V8 than the almost truck-sounding 65 engine.

zdkdeeier493

Funny you mention that. I saw a CL65 a few months ago and it did seem to sound like a truck to me...

Mattar

personally I think Mb would kill the SLR if they use its engine on other MB cars its too early to do that people are still getting delivery of their $600+thousand car.

zdkdeeier493

Mattar! You've gotta post some more pics of your car. The color is BEAUTIFUL. And E55K? You've got a Kleemann kit already?

Mattar

Not yet that was a typo but will have the Kleemann kit in the very near future. I will post more pics of the car on Sunday thanx for the compliment Eleanor Owner

AMGB

Would it really be worth trading our E55 if this rumor was true. My point here is, if our engines put out close to 500 hp right now, all we would be doing is paying a ton of money for the same basic car with a higher boost and higher redline. We could probably do exactly the same with some mods to our existing 5.5 liter and save a ton of money.

I would pony up the money for a V12 biturbo, but for a tweeked out 5.5 supercharged engine compared to the E55 right now, I would really have to think long and hard about that.

By the way, took the E55 to Las Vegas. My E55 does not shift until 6800 rpm into 4th gear at over 134 mph. After that, I had to let off. Things were just going to fast for comfort and for cops for that matter.

IdriveFast

but the SLR is a 5.4 liter, if the E65 uses the SLK engine, then it would b a E55 still, not 65.

CynCarvin32

I wish these myths would vanish. There is an E65 on the way but it is NOT an SLR motor or a V12 bi-turbo. It will be a direct injection gas motor (a la SLK350) V8 in AMG spec form. It will be the motor to replace the Kompressor V8. Power figures around 500 hp. The car may not be an E65 but rather an E63. It all depends on what the final displacement ends up being.

The 3 valve motor is on its last leg of life.

kip

Hi!

I dont understand why there wouldnt be an e 65 amg. I have heard a rumour they are allready making them for some priveledged customers. There is an SL 65, so there should be space in the E class also. E 63 with 500hp to match the M5 maybe...

Kip

CynCarvin32

look under the hood of an E55. THere is not much space left let alone enough for 4 more pistons, a pair of turbos and some intercoolers.

The E55 is a boat. who would want a heavier version than that?

E65 (V8) or E63 is set to fight with the new M5.

Bilal

Brabus makes an EV12. That car is extremely expensive due to its components being completely overhauled to cope with that massive engine. I wouldn't be surprised if they did modifications to the nose or engine bay to make it fit that V12.

AMG have done modifications to the sheet-metal of the C55, the nose is 8cm longer. If indeed there is a special order E65, AMG might also do modifications to the engine bay, I can't see any mechanical reason why there shouldn't be an E65 other than the point of such a vehicle and its effect on the top range market.

The E63 with 500bhp and 7G tronic should be as quick, if not quicker than the E55 V8K. The problem is, it may not be faster than the M5 due to its gearing. From what mags have said, the M5 just walks away from the E55 at speeds above 100mph. The E55 relies on its torque curve for acceleration due to its 5 ratios, this becomes more apparent as 3/4/5 are very long.

The E63 with 7G tronic will get a very good 0-60 time due to its short first 3 gears. 2 is extremely short. The problem with this gearbox is its not linear. Ratios 1/2/3 are short whereas 4/5/6 are much longer, and 7 is just nearly overdrive. The M5's in comparison is 7 short gears making as much use of the rev range and high HP as much as possible. They are evenly spaced and with a short final ratio and that low inertia engine rip through the rev range delivering blistering acceleration at any speed in any gear. The E55 has to make do with 700NM which reduces to 500NM at near redline, this is a lot of torque but with only 5 very long gears and such a heavy weight, its difficult for the E55 to quickly get round to its powerband of 500hp and therefore relies on its torque for acceleration. The problem with the E63 is, firstly it only has 600NM, secondly the 7 unusual ratios should make acceleration up to 100mph vicious, however after that, with the longer gears; heavy weight and probably less than 600NM ( in the higher rev ranges) to carry it forward, there may be a loss of acceleration, whereas the M5 will hit powerband after powerband in each gear and be accelerating hard, relying on 500NM and 500hp @7-8000rpms with a very short final ratio to make the most of the engines characteristics.

I just hope I'm proven wrong, because if the E63 can't beat the M5, then what hope do the rest of the range have as they are heavier, will probably have the same gearing and more weight. Just something to think about.

Feel free to correct or add.

kip

[QUOTE=CynCarvin32]look under the hood of an E55. THere is not much space left let alone enough for 4 more pistons, a pair of turbos and some intercoolers.

I can only say look under the hood of an SL 55 amg to that...a
nd still there is a SL 65 amg

An there indeed is a Brabus E V12. And that car is fast! Even though it has a huge, heavy engine.