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Hi CNTLAW,
This is a topic that has been argued about for over a year now.
You sound pretty confident in your figures. Can you do us a big favor? Can you post us any information (web sites) or scan photos from mags that confirm this.
I hope to God your numbers are wrong. It would be the first time Benz tucked tail and ran when faced with the 500HP M5 Challenge.
Being in Hong Kong...maybe you are seeing information that we are not seeing in the States.
All the best.
This is a topic that has been argued about for over a year now.
You sound pretty confident in your figures. Can you do us a big favor? Can you post us any information (web sites) or scan photos from mags that confirm this.
I hope to God your numbers are wrong. It would be the first time Benz tucked tail and ran when faced with the 500HP M5 Challenge.
Being in Hong Kong...maybe you are seeing information that we are not seeing in the States.
All the best.
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Should I wait for the E63 which is a ~6300cc NA engine with 465hp, a bit less than the E55's Kompressssor engine.
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Hello to all members of this forum. I have been trying to be patient and wait for the 2006 E55 or E63. For all intensive purposes, if all the rumors are true and the new E-Class is a NA engine, would it be as easy to mod and achieve such great gains from some simple mods via Kleeman, EVO, Renntech, or Carlsson.
With all the great info you all provide, I am eagerly waiting to place my order. My local dealer has confirmed that I will have first dibs on ordering a 2006 albeit E55 or E63 or E65. From what I have read, the low end torque is phenomenol and makes the E55 second to none.
I tried to place my order for a 2005 in later part of Jan. 05 and the sales manager said it may be an 06 model due to their allocation. I admire the capabilities of the engine and what it can do now. I have read some of the posts on the current model, but if the 06 comes out as a NA engine, I may not get the same performance from it. I can't see an NA engine having the same amount of torque as the SC'd one now.
I'd hate to shoot myself in the foot by waiting for a few cosmetic changes and an engine that may cost too much to mod.
With all the great info you all provide, I am eagerly waiting to place my order. My local dealer has confirmed that I will have first dibs on ordering a 2006 albeit E55 or E63 or E65. From what I have read, the low end torque is phenomenol and makes the E55 second to none.
I tried to place my order for a 2005 in later part of Jan. 05 and the sales manager said it may be an 06 model due to their allocation. I admire the capabilities of the engine and what it can do now. I have read some of the posts on the current model, but if the 06 comes out as a NA engine, I may not get the same performance from it. I can't see an NA engine having the same amount of torque as the SC'd one now.
I'd hate to shoot myself in the foot by waiting for a few cosmetic changes and an engine that may cost too much to mod.
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Hi all,
I have been regularly looking for news and materials about what MB would do to the C and E. I did not make up the numbers from my dreams. Unfortuantely, I been reading several articles from our local motor mags, which I have no idea where they get the information from.
I do not think HK moto mags are better than USA, so I would have to further verify before I post any things related.
Believe or not, I read there will be E63 and E65, where E65 ( possibly with Biturbo engine ) is the true M5 flighter.
cnt
I have been regularly looking for news and materials about what MB would do to the C and E. I did not make up the numbers from my dreams. Unfortuantely, I been reading several articles from our local motor mags, which I have no idea where they get the information from.
I do not think HK moto mags are better than USA, so I would have to further verify before I post any things related.
Believe or not, I read there will be E63 and E65, where E65 ( possibly with Biturbo engine ) is the true M5 flighter.
cnt
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This sucks. If there is, in fact, an E63 AND an E65, that means we're going to be looking at the top of the line E class with 2 more cylinders (and turbochargers) than the M5 and still it'll just be competition? If thats the case the E65 better blow the M5 out. of. the. water.
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I thought the E63 NA engine is more powerful than the present 5.5. engine. I am sure the 6300cc NA engine power can be boosted up with many aftermarkets kits in future. ( of course , the reason of E63 has less horse power output than the current E55 Kompressor engine is unknown and yet to be further verified )
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FWIW, I do have the MY 2006 brochure for the E-CLass, and I noticed that some of the pictures are the same as the one's from the MY 2005 brochure.
I should add that there is no mention of a 6.3 or a 6.5 engine availability whether standard or as an option. I guess I will have to continue to wait until the official order guides are out and ready for orders.
For all of you current E55 drivers out there, if given a choice, would you choose the SC'd E55 or the anticipated NA E63? Of course if an E65 does become available in a twin turbo, that would be the choice as long as it does not carry $50k - $60k premium like the S Class 55's to the S Class 65's.
I should add that there is no mention of a 6.3 or a 6.5 engine availability whether standard or as an option. I guess I will have to continue to wait until the official order guides are out and ready for orders.
For all of you current E55 drivers out there, if given a choice, would you choose the SC'd E55 or the anticipated NA E63? Of course if an E65 does become available in a twin turbo, that would be the choice as long as it does not carry $50k - $60k premium like the S Class 55's to the S Class 65's.
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DerekFSU,
I thought I was up late. You are on the eastern time aren't you?
Well I never thought of whichever I could get first. I seemed to have caught the modding bug, and do intend to mod whichever E-Class comes my way. From some of the posts on this topic though, it seems unlikely that for $5k - $10k in mods on a NA car will bring as much torque/hp gains from a SC'd car with the same amount of money.
I look forward to following your improving 1/4 mile times and will eventually ask for some more input along the way.
I thought I was up late. You are on the eastern time aren't you?
Well I never thought of whichever I could get first. I seemed to have caught the modding bug, and do intend to mod whichever E-Class comes my way. From some of the posts on this topic though, it seems unlikely that for $5k - $10k in mods on a NA car will bring as much torque/hp gains from a SC'd car with the same amount of money.
I look forward to following your improving 1/4 mile times and will eventually ask for some more input along the way.
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Okay, I found two local mags mentioning about new AMG engines here and translated as follows.
(Mag 1) A new engine will be designed for the CLS which is a 6.3 NA engine with 462 hp.
(Mag 2) In additon to the current 55 and 65 engines series of AMG models; a 6.0 V8 and a 6.3 V12 are under design. The 6.0 litre engine will replace the 5.5 litre engine with max. 420hp. In between the 60 series models and the 65 series models, there will be a new 63 series, this engine will have 520hp.
They did not say whether the E55 will get the 6.0 V8 or the 6.3 V12.
So, I guess if these were true; future E AMG might be a E60 V8 with Biturbo; or if it were a E63 V12 that will be pretty expensive...
At least, it sounds logical to me that the new C55 AMG will become a C60 with 420hp NA, which will kill the new M3's 400hp.
So the puzzle seems to be still with the potential E AMG buyers.
(Mag 1) A new engine will be designed for the CLS which is a 6.3 NA engine with 462 hp.
(Mag 2) In additon to the current 55 and 65 engines series of AMG models; a 6.0 V8 and a 6.3 V12 are under design. The 6.0 litre engine will replace the 5.5 litre engine with max. 420hp. In between the 60 series models and the 65 series models, there will be a new 63 series, this engine will have 520hp.
They did not say whether the E55 will get the 6.0 V8 or the 6.3 V12.
So, I guess if these were true; future E AMG might be a E60 V8 with Biturbo; or if it were a E63 V12 that will be pretty expensive...
At least, it sounds logical to me that the new C55 AMG will become a C60 with 420hp NA, which will kill the new M3's 400hp.
So the puzzle seems to be still with the potential E AMG buyers.
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So much speculation--so few details.
My gut says that MB stays well below the 100K USD figure as way too many people are priced out of purchasing it--therefore, no E65 engine. A variant of current motor might be easy (cost effective). I doubt that an entirely new, unique motor will show itself as history says that the price tag would be HUGE.
You need a nice full size car to fit in between the C class and the S class offerings.
Just my thoughts (which I think are pretty damn good--ha ha).
My gut says that MB stays well below the 100K USD figure as way too many people are priced out of purchasing it--therefore, no E65 engine. A variant of current motor might be easy (cost effective). I doubt that an entirely new, unique motor will show itself as history says that the price tag would be HUGE.
You need a nice full size car to fit in between the C class and the S class offerings.
Just my thoughts (which I think are pretty damn good--ha ha).
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Bestellfreigabe CLS 320 CDI
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überarbeiteter 220 CDI mit 163 oder 170 PS
September 2005
280 CDI / 320 CDI 4matic OM642 V6-CDI für die E-Klasse
September 2005
400 CDI (OM629) V8 mit 299 PS und Russfilter
3Q 2005
M156 E63 V8 AMG mit 6,3 Liter und knapp über 500 PS und etwas mehr als 600 NM, Premiere in neuer S-Klasse
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Originally Posted by Clyde
Juni/Juli 2005
280 CDI / 320 CDI OM642 V6-CDI auch für E-Klasse & CLK
Juli 2005
Bestellfreigabe CLS 320 CDI
2005
überarbeiteter 220 CDI mit 163 oder 170 PS
September 2005
280 CDI / 320 CDI 4matic OM642 V6-CDI für die E-Klasse
September 2005
400 CDI (OM629) V8 mit 299 PS und Russfilter
3Q 2005
M156 E63 V8 AMG mit 6,3 Liter und knapp über 500 PS und etwas mehr als 600 NM, Premiere in neuer S-Klasse
280 CDI / 320 CDI OM642 V6-CDI auch für E-Klasse & CLK
Juli 2005
Bestellfreigabe CLS 320 CDI
2005
überarbeiteter 220 CDI mit 163 oder 170 PS
September 2005
280 CDI / 320 CDI 4matic OM642 V6-CDI für die E-Klasse
September 2005
400 CDI (OM629) V8 mit 299 PS und Russfilter
3Q 2005
M156 E63 V8 AMG mit 6,3 Liter und knapp über 500 PS und etwas mehr als 600 NM, Premiere in neuer S-Klasse
Thank you for posting the above. I can see that MB will release the 6.3, but will it be a NA, TT, or SC'd?
I can wait a few more months for a 6.3.
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OK. As far as modding the engine, I assume it will cost more to beef up the HP and torque numbers on a NA 6.3 than the current SC'd 5.5.
I can see that the 6.3 will have an increased HP and torque numbers compared to the 5.5, but how about from the drivers seat? Will the increased numbers of an NA engine give you the same feeling in the pit of your stomach? I have never had a SC'd car at my disposal, although a friend of mine has a 996TT and complains about turbo lag (when it kicks in though, it's another story).
Sorry for all the uncertainty, but I lost my chance to buy a new E55 in 2003; the dealer told me none would be availabe to special order for another year or so and I have been kicking myself ever since.
I can see that the 6.3 will have an increased HP and torque numbers compared to the 5.5, but how about from the drivers seat? Will the increased numbers of an NA engine give you the same feeling in the pit of your stomach? I have never had a SC'd car at my disposal, although a friend of mine has a 996TT and complains about turbo lag (when it kicks in though, it's another story).
Sorry for all the uncertainty, but I lost my chance to buy a new E55 in 2003; the dealer told me none would be availabe to special order for another year or so and I have been kicking myself ever since.
