Vic55

I see your posts as legit and that you shared a real world experience, thanks for this.

E55_GT3wheels

I woudl agree with this. I have not owned an M5 but my good friend does and I have spent plenty of time behind the seat. Its a great car - no taking away from that at all. I am fairly confident that an M5 will not beat a W212 E63 at any speed. Stock for stock that is

E55_GT3wheels

No one is calling you a troll. But fact is you made a very BOLD statement and said a STOCK M5 walked a W212 E63. There is no way that can be true. Just post your vid and it will do the talking. I do not get why it is taking you so long to past your vid of your stock M5 walking a W212 E63. It should take 5 min.

cahiil55k

without video.

Mockbam5

I posted the video's before.

transferred

basis for your blanket statements is...????

maybe the fact you spent 100k but don't know anything about gearing and the many other factors (human and non human) where two close power to weight cars go at it...it's clearly a close race either way but his real world trumps your mouth...

E55_GT3wheels

"THE m5 STARTS TO WALK ON ME FAST"

Thats my basis. Real world trumps my mouth? why dont you get your panties out of a bunch and read the whole thread before you go talking nonsense.
And I did not pay 100K - only someone with your intelligence would pay that much

E55_GT3wheels

exactly my point - its a clsoe race. No one is walking anyone as the initial thread stated. Please read more carefully before attacking members next time

eurowerx

To be honest when i first read this i was in disbelief but tonight i saw first had i have a broken in E63 and my buddy has a E92 M3 with Gintani exhaust axel back and (maybe) chip cause he bought the car pre owned and on the dyno car ran up to 170 mph... long story short we did 5-6 pulls from 60-130 and everytime i was about 1/2-1 car ahead... i know the ///M5 pulls away from it and his brother has a ///M6 vert with a few mods and i believe he will pull away from me... i am kind of disappointed in the performance ... i miss my 55...

SMP

The M6 convertible is not going to pull on anything At 4400 pounds it's a true piggy. M6 coupe on the other hand weighs 3900 pounds. Still no light weight, but a big difference. Since the M5 weighs around 4000, it has about the same performance as the M6. M3 coupe weighs 3700 pounds and with a few minor mods from a roll is pretty good. But not out of the hole, unless he is running a Gintani SC.

I have a 63, but if I would encounter an M6 in Mexico on a deserted stretch of HWY going nothing but straight, I wouldn't take him on. Once you appear in his mirrors and he's up for a race and drops the hammer, all you'll ever see is his tail lights. But every car, even the most expensive one, can be beat. All it takes is a couple of corners and the driver with better skills and/or bigger "attachment" will win.

eurowerx

oh i know it comes to driver .. i was just talking about straight road... btw the m6 made 442 rwhp.... i drive it quite often is pulls hard up top.. i need some headers and a tune ... has anyone done the pulleys to this 63 yet? the claim 15 hp so i was thinking about doing the chip (any suggestions) ? the pulley x pipe and bmc filters... p.s the M3 kept up even from a 1st gear roll even though i was spinning a little

Krzysiek

I drove M6 at Nurburgring, own e63 and track cars extensively. M5 is not more agile and more connected with the driver. E63 easily outhandles M5, has a vastly superior steering and is about equal on power.

transferred

Quit being so sensitive you defensive little chode...

Krzysiek - you sure about the gulf in handling? Pretty sure moderator Vic55 said his M6 (almost identical to M5) said the M still had the handling edge (steering feel at the very least) though AMG had closed the gap...

-Rob

Vic55

I didnt go back to check my post but Ill tell you that W212 E63 is the better handler than my E63 M6. Id have to guess, only having driven the E60 M5 a few times, that the E63 is right there. I did post a link to the W211forum where the Stig outdrove the M5 in the W212.

As for straightline speed, Im with SMP here. A dig run is the house that AMG built and as the rolling speeds increase the S85 in the M's engine definitely pulls back some of the lost advantage in the dig. With this all being said, from a roll its whoever is on it first IMHO because the S85 engine requires you to be in the sweet spot (6k) and that usually requires pre meditation.

SMP

Vic, are you sure about that? Your stargazing pano roof against my carbon fiber roof will have some serious disadvantage in tight corners . There is only one way to find out . We'll take Sepulveda from the Valley all the way up to the Ghetty Center. I LOVE that stretch of road!

Vic55

My experiences were with a lowered M6--- I probably pushed it too low and out of optimal spec... I just feel less understeer with my E63. I did dump the M6 a while back though, over a year ago so maybe its all placebo.

SMP

F_ck, I thought for sure we have a date

Krzysiek

I definitely think that on steering feel no sedan comes close. It's not much worse than my old 911 C4S, which is saying something.

E55_GT3wheels

Hardly being defensive retard. You attacked me first and had no clue what you were saying, as usual.

And yes you chod, the E63 does handle better. Try reading some reviews for a change. Oh wait, I forgot, you can barely read

Vic55

Ease up guys, its the Net---- dont make me close this.

gadgets

You DROVE an M6 for couple of hours, I OWNED M5 & M6 for the past 4 years and still have the M6 & and a new E63 that I use as a daily driver..

Who is better qualified to give an unbiased and informed decision?

Krzysiek

Hmm, I am not sure what to say to this. Are you saying that M5 has a better steering feel? Is more agile?

Do you drive your cars hard? Have you ever tried throwing your cars to see how they respond? Have you ever driven any of your cars on the track?

I am asking those questions to see what you level of experience is. 10 years of highway sailing tells you less about a car than three laps at the ring, if you push your car.

However, I find it hard to believe that you/anybody can think that M5/M6 have better steering feel than e63. I base that not on the current direct comparison, since I never owned M5/M6, but at the time of my m6 ring adventure (2008) i owned C4s and the difference was startling. Not so with e63.

As to agility, that can be a bit subjective and all, but if you push M5, it will push big time at the limit, while e63 will nicely drift. To me, it is a strong indication of agility, but sure that's at the limit, so not necessarily applicable to everyday situation, although to me it shines through even at slow speeds.

So, yes, I still think you are wrong no matter your ownership experience. maybe you mean something different by agility, but eager turn-in is a big part of it and M5/M6 does not match up.