joshb63

Hey guys, sorry if the title is a little misleading, but no i didn't break an axle. I ordered a 2012 e63 pp and it will be here in december/january. I ended up without an LSD and im pretty pissed. So i have been hearing that the esp will step in when a rear wheel is spinning to transfer the power to the other wheel(this is without lsd of course) and during braking, that wheels's axle will break because it is still getting power. Is this true/should i be worried about this? I am seriously considering an aftermarket LSD but wanted to get everyones opinion. Also, if by some miracle i can still get the lsd on my car, is it any good and would you pick it side by side, say a renntech?

thanks,
Josh

pgordon888

You should still be able to add the LSD to your order if your E63 is not in production yet and if you dealer says no ask for his manager. I made some late changes to my CLS order even when the order showed up as "unchangeable" in the MB computer system. It just takes a dealer call to the distribution center to straighten out.

vdubpower

the lsd isnt part of the PP

this is such a retarded option, its something that should obviously standard as putting tires on a car....its like not putting brakes on a car with so much power

joshb63

Thanks, this gives me hope. Who do I call about this? I'll call ASAP

Jon2007E63P30

I have never heard of anyone breaking an axle. Unless you are tracking, the LSD is just a nice to have.

They did not include it to reduce the price of the package. Honestly, the higher HP is the main reason to get this package. The suspension is a lot stiffer, which may be ok for you. Was for me.

joshb63

thanks for the replies guys, it is time to make a descision. Do i keep the auto locking standard diff and wait for the current car i ordered( no money down no obligation) or do i make this long wait even more excruciating and order a whole new car but add carbon package and the LSD that i wanted? is it really necessary? the only thing im worried about is spinning my right wheel off the line, will i have this issue? if i can do a full throttle launch from a stop without excessive wheelspin, at least on an individual wheel, i will just get the standard diff.

i would really appreciate hearing from all of you on this, thanks,
Josh

vdubpower

question about the difference in suspension

is it stiffer in all the various settings , isnt there a few modes for suspension, so does the increased stiffness run through the whole set up

joshb63

I think i am slightly confused about exactly what you are asking/why you are asking about suspension. But to answer your question, there is comfort, sport, and sport plus as far as tranny modes go, and with performance package the overall suspension setup is about 40% stiffer. does this help?

Vic55

I have a non PP W212 2010 E63 and a PP 2012 CLS63- to me the suspension settings are like a one notch difference. What I mean is the comfort (no lights on) in the E63 is like one light on in the CLS63. So if I run the CLS63 with one light on its like having the stiffest set up in the E63. Either way I like the PP suspension much better.

As for the LSD- I think its a must have for a 100k car and its only two thousand dollars. I often turn ESP off completely and like to know that Ill have power transfer working due to the LSD.

vdubpower

yeah i think i got it, 2 suspension settings per car, or 3 i guess, but the PP versions are stiffer over all ...

whats the sport off buttton do , is that the esp

and just to clarify, did any of the 2010/2011 cars come with an LSD?

Vic55

There are actually 3 settings for suspension: no lights, one light, and two. And yes the Sport Off is esp sport mode but if you hold down your Sport Off button for a few seconds you will activate ESP Off which unleashes the full compliment of TQ in your car- but be careful if you are taking sharp turns or driving in the rain...

joshb63

I understand that a 100k car should come with a lsd, but do I NEED it?

Vic55

I dont know YOU (pretty subjective so it has to be based on your driving style). But I need it... I drive my cars hard and not just in straight lines- LSD helps from dig for grip and in turns. I often turn off ESP which would normally allow for heavy wheel slip in certain situations which the LSD would alleviate.

So if you can change your order and your personal driving style is medium to aggressive its a no brainer. My comment about the 100k car was in relation to the cost of the LSD- 2k is really not much when considering the overall price of the car.

Now to be fair- my E63 (2010) doesnt have it because it was an order cancel car which I stole off the lot and I can live without it but its much better to have it. Your E63 is going to have a lot of hp and tq- best to have the devices which help transfer the power to the ground effectively IMHO.

vdubpower

yeah, ive got this dilemma as part of my search

2 cars ive located both 2010 e63

1. 25000 miles, no pano, with PP
2. 14000 miles pano, without PP, but does have the nice steering wheel and has the 19s

i personally dont care for pano, and the car, is gonna be my wifes car (only because we are gonna sell her c320) but im gonna get a lot of driving out of it


question about the LSD, is it something u can feel when it kicks in or is it just something always there
i wont be tracking it, or modding it ( maybe)

just fwy racing againt my bros RS4, hopefully smoking him

sorry for thread jack

Vic55

You cant really feel it kick in per se... but on a car without you can tell especially from a dig because you are burning rubber if you dont modulate the throttle.

joshb63

Update, i just told my dealership, which is not insanely impressive, that they can do what they like with the car but if it has no LSD i wont be buying it. Tomorrow i am going to a new dealership to deal with a sales manager i have been in contact with and had a good experience so far.

So, how about we do this right the second time. Are there ANY special options that you guys dont like for whatever reason? As far as my order goes right now i am getting everything except rear seat entertainment and carbon package and ceramic brakes. I need your input!

thanks,
Josh

callmiro

Just built a 2012 E63 on the Canadian Benz site and LSD is part of the PP here..but Canadian PP is $2k more than the US PP

AMG Carbon Fibre Trim
19" AMG Twin 5-Spoke Forged Wheels
Sport Suspension
AMG Performance Steering Wheel
Red Brake Calipers
Electronic Speed Limiter Deletion
Tire Pressure Monitoring System
Additional Horsepower
Limited-Slip Rear Differential

LSD is a $2030 option for any E63 on the US site....and you should be able to add it if the car hasn't been built yet

vdubpower

whats interesting is that on the 2010/2011 cars, the LSD was part of the PP package, even thought there was no increase in HP, just wheels, suspension and steering wheel

where as, in the New car, with increase HP, when u would need the LSD more so, its an option

joshb63

Congrats! your car sounds sweet, but can we get a color?

joshb63

So this ordering process has been a hassle, but i finally got it worked out. The car with ASD is built and i could have it by the end of the month, but i am a perfectionist and i needed the LSD.

I have given the same dealer a second chance because i believe in loyalty and they have been helpful, just a minor mistake with major consequences. They also gave me a pretty decent price, 1000 over invoice. So ill let you all know the final options on the car i will actually be receiving.

'12 E63
Palladium silver
Black leather
Burl walnut
19 inch 5 spoke PP wheels(personally don't care for the 10 spoke wheels)
Illuminated door sills/rear side airbags/night view assist/sun package
Pano
Drivers assistance
P30 with red calipers
and of course LIMITED SLIP!!! finally

YYZ-E55

Cars are packaged differently for Canada. Germany doesn't force the LSD as part of the performance package, but it makes sense to include it (and reduce the number of stand-alone options).

Jakpro1

+1, that's only on the drag track when they have heavy VHT on. Hard enough for the poor car but the VHT (superglue) just makes the axles say, "Okay, that's it! No more!"

You are fine for now. Can always add LSD on these cars. However, every tuner I talk to says the AMG LSD is an incredible piece of engineering. If you can snag it and can afford it, add it. If not, no worries.

joshb63

thanks, i did end up getting the LSD, car should be here in january.