vdubpower

so, i couldnt resist and had to try S+ mode, even in my break in period

so im wondering, if i downshift with the paddles in S+, and i stay in S+ will the car up shift as needed by it self, or do i have to do it

my thought was in M mode, is when oneself is completely in control and the car is not.

i downshifted today, in S+ but as i gained speed it didnt upshift so i got skerred and did it myself

what is the correct thought on this

also, the AMG button, does it only store tranny and suspension settings but not the ESP setting?

lunarx

According to the OM it should upshift in S+, but only to prevent over reving. That means at redline. Therefore its hard to test.

I wish the AMG button would store ESP settings. According to OM it dosen't.

vdubpower

so if i down shift in S+ it essentually becomes like M

it wont go ahead an resume its functions as S+ and change gears as it is supposed to do?

so how do i get it out back to working like an automatic while in S+, do i have to turn the *** to C and back to S+

or should i never paddle shift in S+

and in terms of esp, what exactly is the "handling " difference in sport . what does it do, because its not the same as the shock button

lunarx

No, its not like M its "Gear Limit".
It will hold the lower gear but still upshift at redline to avoid over-rev.
On dash, note the box around the gear bieng held in.

To cancel just hold the upshift paddle untill it returns to your selected mode.
Note on dash display, the box around the selected transmode.

I wish we could shift from the console as its hard to manipulate paddles when turning or catching/inducing a slide.

E-Ridium 63

Depends on your driving pattern. If you are being aggressive, it will delay shift, but if you go back to driving miss daisy, it will shift for you.

Once you shift to the next gear and go back to normal modulation of the throttle it should get you back to normal shifting. You can also upshift wit the right paddle and cycle right through 7th gear and it will reset.

otakki

You got all your quesitons answered above. It will be nice if the AMG button will also store ESP setting.

There is always the debate whether the paddle shifter should be on the wheel rather than the column. I believe Ferrari has it on the wheel.

E-Ridium 63

Ya but its on the column and not the wheel so it is stationary the whole time.

lunarx

Paddles need to be on wheel, but also on the center console.

Does any car put them on the column? Thats crazy.

otakki

At least on the column as with E63's you will know where it is all the time. On the wheel it's nice if you are not turning too much; beyond that it becomes confusing.

lunarx

Are the W211 on the Column?
W212 is on the wheel, which is why it's also needed on the console.

E-Ridium 63

most cars that are not ferrari or lambos etc are on the wheel, i think...dunno why.....

otakki

Did I get that backward for the W212? I better look inside my car on the way home.

I also do think it's a good idea for either system to have an additional + & - shifter function on the console.

Well, the thinking with Ferrari or Lambo is that you can always turn with one hand and leave the other hand to paddle shift. Having the paddles on the column eliminates the confusion since they are always stationary on the column.

vdubpower

wheel is where they should be, Aston puts them on the column

i had 2 weeks with an virage and then a rapide, and it was wierd with them on the column, esp when turning, luckily they are very large

4-AMGs

All of my Ferraris have them on the column.

pgordon888

I agree. I still find myself reaching to tap the center console gear lever for an upshift out of a turn like it is the DCT shifter on my old e90 M3 (shifter on steering wheel and center console).

otakki

Notice those paddles on the column mounted ones are usually much longer, ie on Ferrari's.

Personally, I prefer the column-mounted since I will always know the exact location.

mhirsch

+1 on the console shifting!! My M5 had that ability and it is sorely missed in the AMG

gripforce-cl65

Ferrari is wrong and soon it will be corrected in the near future. A simple reason for on the wheel is you shouldn't be shifting while wheel is turned. It's racing 101.

otakki

What about the old days with the manual transmission shifter where you always shift with one hand while steering with the other.

Vic55

Almost every car I have owned has the shifters on the wheel. The one exception for me that I currently have is the GTR.

My personal preference is on the wheel.

Snipe656

I really like how BMW addresses that but I just never been much of a paddle shifter user. Been so long that I have been in a C63 that I am starting to wonder if it works that way. I know the shifter in the 2010+ E63 always looked like an afterthought to me.