Totaled my E63.. lucky to be alive.
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I have to find the source I was referring to in terms of the age differences, but I do remember whatever it was, it showed them being similar.
Either way, the age difference would really come from the 3-Series, which accounts for over half of BMW's sales, if I'm not mistaken. Every time some d-dag on the road thinks it's Laguna Seca Receway and is twirling in and out of traffic, poorly driving to the point of putting everyone in danger in all corners of him/her, it seems to be a BMW driver, so maybe the age difference is pretty prevalent.
I'm not denying the crash test statistics, however, like I said, those aren't so significant to me, as real world data has rarely reflected standardized data. Case in point, the previous 2 E-Classes. What I'm looking into is frame strength, which is where I find the E shines. Aside from that, I trust M-B's safety development team and their gauging of driver safety in multitudes of crashes over standardized tests, not due to blind faith or ignorance, but due to M-B's proving time and time again that the way that "they do it" is superior to how the tests do it. The roof is a significant portion of a safety cage's integrity, and the 5-Series showing a cave in during the side test, and a weak roof strength in the IIHS's actual "Roof Strength" test, shows me that perhaps the car wouldn't fare so well, relatively speaking, in crashes that are different than the strictly (and easy to pass) standardized tests.
Either way, the age difference would really come from the 3-Series, which accounts for over half of BMW's sales, if I'm not mistaken. Every time some d-dag on the road thinks it's Laguna Seca Receway and is twirling in and out of traffic, poorly driving to the point of putting everyone in danger in all corners of him/her, it seems to be a BMW driver, so maybe the age difference is pretty prevalent.
I'm not denying the crash test statistics, however, like I said, those aren't so significant to me, as real world data has rarely reflected standardized data. Case in point, the previous 2 E-Classes. What I'm looking into is frame strength, which is where I find the E shines. Aside from that, I trust M-B's safety development team and their gauging of driver safety in multitudes of crashes over standardized tests, not due to blind faith or ignorance, but due to M-B's proving time and time again that the way that "they do it" is superior to how the tests do it. The roof is a significant portion of a safety cage's integrity, and the 5-Series showing a cave in during the side test, and a weak roof strength in the IIHS's actual "Roof Strength" test, shows me that perhaps the car wouldn't fare so well, relatively speaking, in crashes that are different than the strictly (and easy to pass) standardized tests.
OP you must be sore from the crash.
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I definitely agree with that. So many cars are utilizing such strong safety measures, even very "cheap" cars, so it's good for us all. I'm a big safety paranoid, and research this stuff obsessively especially when getting a new car. I can say that even I, who is uncomfortable in "unsafe/unverified" cars, would be very comfortable and safe feeling in a Chevy Cruze, for example.
That's a good point, and another reason as to why "cage strength" is so important to me. In a 45 MPH test, the B-Pillar of "Car X" might just bend enough to get it an "A" rating, but what happens if it gets hit at 80 MPH? M-B seems to have "over-engineered" its safety cages this time around, to ensure that these standardized tests look like it got flicked, therefore giving it more "stability" in case the stakes get much higher.
Anyway, O/P, hope all is feeling better, and this Thread due to thankfully your fortunate outcome have allowed us to discuss this stuff more literally, which raises awareness on car safety, which can save someone else's life.
At the same time, we have to keep in mind all these crash testinsg are only done at a specific speed in order to make a comparison. Obviously, none of us will be able to say for sure if the forces on the dummies compared to other competitors will remain the lowest as the speed increases, when the car's structural integrity will possibly play a bigger role.
Anyway, O/P, hope all is feeling better, and this Thread due to thankfully your fortunate outcome have allowed us to discuss this stuff more literally, which raises awareness on car safety, which can save someone else's life.
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I definitely agree with that. So many cars are utilizing such strong safety measures, even very "cheap" cars, so it's good for us all. I'm a big safety paranoid, and research this stuff obsessively especially when getting a new car. I can say that even I, who is uncomfortable in "unsafe/unverified" cars, would be very comfortable and safe feeling in a Chevy Cruze, for example.
That's a good point, and another reason as to why "cage strength" is so important to me. In a 45 MPH test, the B-Pillar of "Car X" might just bend enough to get it an "A" rating, but what happens if it gets hit at 80 MPH? M-B seems to have "over-engineered" its safety cages this time around, to ensure that these standardized tests look like it got flicked, therefore giving it more "stability" in case the stakes get much higher.
Anyway, O/P, hope all is feeling better, and this Thread due to thankfully your fortunate outcome have allowed us to discuss this stuff more literally, which raises awareness on car safety, which can save someone else's life.
That's a good point, and another reason as to why "cage strength" is so important to me. In a 45 MPH test, the B-Pillar of "Car X" might just bend enough to get it an "A" rating, but what happens if it gets hit at 80 MPH? M-B seems to have "over-engineered" its safety cages this time around, to ensure that these standardized tests look like it got flicked, therefore giving it more "stability" in case the stakes get much higher.
Anyway, O/P, hope all is feeling better, and this Thread due to thankfully your fortunate outcome have allowed us to discuss this stuff more literally, which raises awareness on car safety, which can save someone else's life.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
My things on driving safety are: Keep eyes on the road and both hands on the wheel, situational awareness, avoid phone and similar distracting gadgets, avoid traveling in a pack of cars, and beware of intersections and two-lane highway.
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thank god you are ok.... from the pics it is very hard to believe someone would walk out alive. but you did. a sign of many years to come.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
Sorry for going off topic: I noticed you are a convert from Bimmers. Would you mind sharing some reasons for the switching over to MB and how it's like compared to Bimmers? Thanks.
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otakki---
i have been a bimmer fan for many years. had 10 plus cars from a dinan 7,dinan 6 to alpina 7 and a few in between. after a fluk test drive on my 2010 e63 i was hooked. couple that with the fact that ,imho, bmw lost its way. they intend to put a bmw in every garage.so many modles and sub- models, that the exlusivity, quality and design have gone to ****s. mb , otoh, makes much better cars nowdays, with beatuiful designs and attention to details. my wife's loaded 2012 ml-350 is so much nicer and fun to drive then the recently tested x- 5.(we've had 4 x-5s over the years).
until bmw gets "bangled" again, i really don't see myslef in one anytime soon.
i have been a bimmer fan for many years. had 10 plus cars from a dinan 7,dinan 6 to alpina 7 and a few in between. after a fluk test drive on my 2010 e63 i was hooked. couple that with the fact that ,imho, bmw lost its way. they intend to put a bmw in every garage.so many modles and sub- models, that the exlusivity, quality and design have gone to ****s. mb , otoh, makes much better cars nowdays, with beatuiful designs and attention to details. my wife's loaded 2012 ml-350 is so much nicer and fun to drive then the recently tested x- 5.(we've had 4 x-5s over the years).
until bmw gets "bangled" again, i really don't see myslef in one anytime soon.
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WOW , thank god or a higher power that u survived and where in a Benz , I wonder how some of MB competitors would do mainly M's and V's . It's hard to believe u walked away but u did that's a fact . Its a lesson for all of US ,"ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION " to whats really going on when your driving at any speed and any driving environments. U made the right moves before impact and it did make a difference , Oh enjoy your New Car and a New beginning .
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Sorry for the delayed reply but I have just seen that horrible wreck . You should be lucky to drive a MB othwerwise I don't think you could survive that crash .This is one the worst wrecks I have ever seen 
I wish you have many trouble free safe driving
I wish you have many trouble free safe driving
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That's a good point, and another reason as to why "cage strength" is so important to me. In a 45 MPH test, the B-Pillar of "Car X" might just bend enough to get it an "A" rating, but what happens if it gets hit at 80 MPH? M-B seems to have "over-engineered" its safety cages this time around, to ensure that these standardized tests look like it got flicked, therefore giving it more "stability" in case the stakes get much higher.
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I've read an article where MB states that they don't care too much about synthetic lab tests but are more interested in real world safety. In a lab test other brands engineer their cars to pass those "tests" with flying colors but in real life situation it becomes obvious.
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I share your point of view and I do agree MB over engineers their cars when it comes to safety, often roof strength is just one of them where other brands cut corner on because currently there are no safety requirements for roof strength.
I've read an article where MB states that they don't care too much about synthetic lab tests but are more interested in real world safety. In a lab test other brands engineer their cars to pass those "tests" with flying colors but in real life situation it becomes obvious.
I've read an article where MB states that they don't care too much about synthetic lab tests but are more interested in real world safety. In a lab test other brands engineer their cars to pass those "tests" with flying colors but in real life situation it becomes obvious.
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