Pretty awesome. Just spotted 2 new E63's camouflaged with the Michigan plates headed to a place around my house where they film Top Gear. They sounded pretty awesome as well.
2014 E63 to get 550hp and 4matic
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Did you have snows on the e55? I'm getting ready to put snows on the E63 hoping its somewhat drivable in snowy conditions.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
If you are open to non-car, ie SUV, other options would be BMW's M SUV and AMG's SUV offerings. Ferrari FF is also a worthy contender.
From what I have heard, there is no choice--only 4matic.
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am I the only one that dreads the thought of the E63 being a 4matic? I mean there is something about a big V8 high horsepower RWD car that I just enjoy, I know the AWD will solve the traction problems but power sliding a RWD car that has just the right amount of over steer through the turns with a little counter steering is just to much fun for me to give up, I didn't buy the car because I wanted the fastest 0-60, I bought the car cause it makes my drive to work and back home again that much more fun, I still enjoy the occasional empty parking lot doughnuts and I feel like 4matic will take away most of this fun, it makes me a better driver and I respect the car more, I've driven a number of modded twin turbo P cars and they were brutally fast in straight line acceleration but when I got the chance to drive a GT2 I instantly knew which one I would rather have
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That shouldn't be the case if you have good snow tires. I figure for the less than half a dozen times I couldn't get into the garage is no reason to be stuck with AWD year round.
If you are open to non-car, ie SUV, other options would be BMW's M SUV and AMG's SUV offerings. Ferrari FF is also a worthy contender.
If you are open to non-car, ie SUV, other options would be BMW's M SUV and AMG's SUV offerings. Ferrari FF is also a worthy contender.
For a few months the only way to get home was in reverse, as the winter I sold my car it snowed 10cm like every day. My neighbors enjoyed that, but not me.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
I see. The situation there is obviously different. I bet the amount of snow you guys get over there in the Scandinavian will make our winter feels like a walk in the park. If I were to live there in the countryside, I would be so tempted to get a snowmobile. Some beautiful places near that part of the world.
IMO, the best AWD systems for this type of cars is Nissan's ATTESA-ETS Pro system. It's developed mainly for paved road and it allows the car to be mostly RWD most of the time until traction is truly needed. thus it's RWD dynamics most of the time. That's why GTR is one of the few AWD cars that can still drift. Hopefully AMG will have the 4matic for AMG engineered to be like that. Better yet, I would totally love it if they would just outfitted AMG's with ATTESA-ETS Pro.
Speaking of that, I thought there is already an alliance between Diamler-Benz, Renault, and Nissan. It's time for them to share some of each other's goodies.
IMO, the best AWD systems for this type of cars is Nissan's ATTESA-ETS Pro system. It's developed mainly for paved road and it allows the car to be mostly RWD most of the time until traction is truly needed. thus it's RWD dynamics most of the time. That's why GTR is one of the few AWD cars that can still drift. Hopefully AMG will have the 4matic for AMG engineered to be like that. Better yet, I would totally love it if they would just outfitted AMG's with ATTESA-ETS Pro.
Speaking of that, I thought there is already an alliance between Diamler-Benz, Renault, and Nissan. It's time for them to share some of each other's goodies.
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IMO, the best AWD systems for this type of cars is Nissan's ATTESA-ETS Pro system. It's developed mainly for paved road and it allows the car to be mostly RWD most of the time until traction is truly needed. thus it's RWD dynamics most of the time. That's why GTR is one of the few AWD cars that can still drift. Hopefully AMG will have the 4matic for AMG engineered to be like that. Better yet, I would totally love it if they would just outfitted AMG's with ATTESA-ETS Pro.
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Interesting about the sound. I love my car on first cold start of day but after that little too quiet. Would be great to have sport exhaust switch as part of the Power Pak.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
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Maybe someone is worried about a new TESLA Model S eating the typical AMG E Class or BMW M5 lunch's next year...
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Can sort of see the new headlights, but not all that well.
I'll be keeping my #1 spot on the list though that's for sure!
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
Good thing is the rear LSD is possibly standard now. And that test mule having no sunroof of any kind...That's my kind of car.
The front is still too round to fit in with the orginal lines of the car. Also, why fixed 33/67 permanent split?! Why not mostly 0/100 that can self adjust up to 50/50 if needed as found on ATTESA-ETS PRO? Most driving can be done with 0/100 as shown on the GTR. And we all know GTR's handling prowess with its ATTESA-ETS PRO despite slight lack of feel. Yes, 0-60 will be fabulous, but we will have to see what it's like for high speed pull.
Oh well, just some rambling from me. Still an awesome car.
The front is still too round to fit in with the orginal lines of the car. Also, why fixed 33/67 permanent split?! Why not mostly 0/100 that can self adjust up to 50/50 if needed as found on ATTESA-ETS PRO? Most driving can be done with 0/100 as shown on the GTR. And we all know GTR's handling prowess with its ATTESA-ETS PRO despite slight lack of feel. Yes, 0-60 will be fabulous, but we will have to see what it's like for high speed pull.
Oh well, just some rambling from me. Still an awesome car.
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Good thing is the rear LSD is possibly standard now. And that test mule having no sunroof of any kind...That's my kind of car.
The front is still too round to fit in with the orginal lines of the car. Also, why fixed 33/67 permanent split?! Why not mostly 0/100 that can self adjust up to 50/50 if needed as found on ATTESA-ETS PRO? Most driving can be done with 0/100 as shown on the GTR. And we all know GTR's handling prowess with its ATTESA-ETS PRO despite slight lack of feel. Yes, 0-60 will be fabulous, but we will have to see what it's like for high speed pull.
Oh well, just some rambling from me. Still an awesome car.
The front is still too round to fit in with the orginal lines of the car. Also, why fixed 33/67 permanent split?! Why not mostly 0/100 that can self adjust up to 50/50 if needed as found on ATTESA-ETS PRO? Most driving can be done with 0/100 as shown on the GTR. And we all know GTR's handling prowess with its ATTESA-ETS PRO despite slight lack of feel. Yes, 0-60 will be fabulous, but we will have to see what it's like for high speed pull.
Oh well, just some rambling from me. Still an awesome car.
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33.3%/66.6% permanent? Oh no…that means it is a Front engine, “FWD based” AWD car. High speed 60+mph acceleration will suffer for sure, current RWD E63 with PP should able to walk and F10 M5 might able to fly by a E63 AWD with ease on freeway. Same result most likely on road course as E63(RWD)/M5 should able to pull hard when exiting corner. IMO, if MB can’t offer GT-R or Panamera 4’s type of Front engine RWD based AWD setup then it should be a option for customer to decide.
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33.3%/66.6% permanent? Oh no…that means it is a Front engine, “FWD based” AWD car. High speed 60+mph acceleration will suffer for sure, current RWD E63 with PP should able to walk and F10 M5 might able to fly by a E63 AWD with ease on freeway. Same result most likely on road course as E63(RWD)/M5 should able to pull hard when exiting corner. IMO, if MB can’t offer GT-R or Panamera 4’s type of Front engine RWD based AWD setup then it should be a option for customer to decide.
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The recent Car and Driver article with the head of AMG states that the 2014 AWD E63 AMG has even more power and is faster around the 'Ring. What's not to love here?
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
33.3%/66.6% permanent? Oh no…that means it is a Front engine, “FWD based” AWD car. High speed 60+mph acceleration will suffer for sure, current RWD E63 with PP should able to walk and F10 M5 might able to fly by a E63 AWD with ease on freeway. Same result most likely on road course as E63(RWD)/M5 should able to pull hard when exiting corner. IMO, if MB can’t offer GT-R or Panamera 4’s type of Front engine RWD based AWD setup then it should be a option for customer to decide.
I'm still all for a system that is primarily front:rear of 0:100 that can auto-adjust up to 50:50 despite having additional weight. Besides, having extra weight is advantageous in a collision.
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I was really hoping E63 4Matic to come with original per 98 setup where the centre differential, also known as the transfer case, contains two clutches. Each hydraulically enabled clutch is controlled separately to allow for three modes of operation: 2WD (mode 0) where 100% of available torque is available to the rear axle while the front axle is disconnected, and two 4WD modes which allow for 35/65 front/rear axle torque split (mode 1) or 50/50 front/rear axle torque split (mode 2). Like Otakki mention, make it permanently at 33% is just a waste on energy/HP not to mention the disadvantage introduced on chassis dynamic.
From Motorsport point of view the FWD based AWD setup is not ideal and everyone realize it….even Audi is working on changing their FWD based AWD platform starting from A8 to RWD in next gen. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/29/n...-all-aluminum/ It is just funny, MB is going the other way…
Regardless, MB might not care since they are not targeting Motorsport enhusitace as main audience anyway (yes, even for AMG). IMO, from all around performance aspect E63 RWD should be the top choice unless limited by weather then Panamera 4’s would be a good pick or wait for the new Audi AWD with RWD-based chassis layout.
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I dont think this type of awd is an issue, since someone who cares will buy a rwd anyway. The 0/100 type awd car has its problems too. My car tends to be a little tail happy on icy roads and roundabouts, its not nice to slide sideways on offramps when you are not trying to do it. 33/66 split I suspect is more stable. Isnt this more like an Audi, which MB is trying to rival anyway. Although I must say, sometimes, especially in the summer, it is really nice to have an awd car that mostly behaves like a rwd car.
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I really couldn't care less about acceleration beyond 100 miles. Give me a car that is stupid fast until 100 miles. thats where all the fun ends anyway. We don't have autobahns to race Rwd M5's anyhow. I like the idea of traction and 0-60 in low 3s don't really understand why you guys complaining. This is going to be silly fast 4 door family hauler. with a tune its still going to destroy 85% of cars on the ROAD.
