NickE63

kinda dark but listen to how smooth and quick these BMW's shift... awesome machine!!!!
BTW this is a brand new paved road dry as a bone and this thing leaves whole shots through all its gears no problem lol

Max.H

Daaam I like the f10 M5. If it sounds that good from the outside. I wonder what's with the speakers playing some exhaust note from inside the car? I dont get it...

NickyBlack

they put down 530whp

NickE63

Me neither never asked him but I will tom

NickE63

On what dyno?

AMG E Power

I thought I seen Vic55 put down 537WHP. I think the f10 is faster then the factory PP due to it awesome DCT which IMHO is slightly better than the MCT just not as strong.

NickE63

I ran my buddies F10 M5 when I was tuned and pulled him 3 lengths and counting, if he tunes his car I don't know what the outcome will be but I do not think he will beat me.

AMG E Power

I totally agree I think even tuned you will still beat them because of the crazy TQ ur car makes ! Hope u are running 305's or better in the rear lol

vdubpower

on my dyno thread vic posted his car and mine dynos overlaid

his car is a beast, mb rules tho

NickE63

Vdub lol ... One thing I can say is that the M5 is way more comfortable

Vic55

I own one Max and whats up long time no hear? I will be 100% honest I have no idea about this sound in my cabin. I guess I need to find the fuse and disconnect it but it the whole active sound thing seems inconsequential

Mine put down 538hp corrected on a dynojet- 550 uncorrected. The sweet spots on these cars is past 5k rpms though.

My good friend raced a stock clsPP with his stock F10 M5 at the recent runway races here in Cali and the F10 pulled by about 3 cars on a stock pp cls. I think a tuned race will be very close when they are both modded. My gut feel having owned 2 tuned M157's and a stock F10 is that the M157's will hop out to a half car lead because of their hp curve and the f10 will reel it in post triple digits speeds. The DCT will be the main reason why up top. This of course is my opinion with personal ownership of both engines.

Here are the dynos on different days of my M5, my Black Series, and Vdubpower's E55PP car.... of course different days different conditions but my M5 dyno'd on the hottest day per the guys at EAS.

This first dyno sheet shows the power with mph vs rpm's. Check out the Black's power (hp) curve vs the M5--- similar in shape just lower on the spectrum. Thanks again to Tom and team at EAS (European Auto Source). These are all SAE corrected numbers.




Here is the same overlay with RPM's

mainly

i agree, the active sound seemed to get alot more bad hype than it was worth to ever put in in the car. you just dont even know its there.

did you say you had an Eisennman exhaust?

how do you like it? im thinking about either it, or the akrapovic or meisterschaft. i would like one thats nice and loud.

vdubpower

mainly did u get a m5 too

mainly

that analysis sounds pretty sound.

everyone says how the 5.5 tt would be stronger/have more tuning potential than the f10 because of the greater displacement but evidently what the m5 lacks in displacement in makes up for in rev's, just like the e60 m5 did. (god rest it's soul)

i guess BMW wasnt totally asleep when they designed the f10...

mainly

oh ya.

vdubpower

cls gone

pics?

Vic55

I have the Eisenmann Race- its the loudest axle back out there. Akra is better overall quality and 2x's the price. Everyone that has heard mine has said its the best of the three you mentioned. At 4200 dollars retail its still a very very nice piece. Akra is just over the top but im not worried about mine breaking LOL.

As for the BMW and the displacement piece I agree with higher rpm range allowance and we do have bigger stock turbos I think which helps.

emericr

The M5 does sound good.
The new E63 (reg and S) is faster. Can't wait to see what BMW will respond with. We live in a great area. Who said the hp wars were done. Amazing to be able to buy super sedans running as fast as 1980s F40 and 959.
And we live in a great country where it is fairly affordable.

Vic55

The 2014 E will be quicker- not sure about faster. What I mean is the 0-60 and quarter mile times due to the AWD launch capability is more associated with quicker IMHO but Id also want to know about 60-150 runs where the AWD will rob power and slow it down some.

When my GTR was stock it was fast to 100 but it was a slug after 120mph- the AWD system eats away at the power. No different than a Panny TT where it pulls crazy 0-60 and 0-100 times but then its quartermile times (trap speeds) deteriorate.

We shall see.

emericr

Good point. I can't wait for you to do some Mexico runs and test it out with friends.
I wish the guys who did the Miami mile run would find a spot to dot it again.

Vic55

The problem is the S model wont be out until?? June??

vdubpower

im sure bmw will toss in a xdrive for the m5 in next few yrs.

im wondering how on the S model, they bump up the hp to 580 vs the PP at 550,

but the torque is still 590
how do they move one and not the other

Vic55

Its just in the software tweaks... The S63 with the PP has more hp than the E with the PP (current year models)- same engine its all a marketing game IMHO. No one who buys an S63 with PP for all that money should have E classes with the same stock hp- god forbid. LOL.

mainly

you mean the m5? sure, mines a 2012, imperial blue. every option except B&O sound

NickE63

there is something about the M5 i dont like i cant exactly figure it out, hmm maybe its cause i dont have one