hinewwin

Hello.

I called a dealer around my area to get some information about E63 S version but they don't know what the "s" is... So I am posting here because I figured people on this board knows much better.

It is my understanding that 2014 E63 AMG 4-Matic S version has increased HP to 577HP from 550HP (PP version of 2013 E63) and torque stays same 590 lb-ft. So I think the performance would be similar or little quicker up to 60MPH but the power split in all wheels will eat the power when it goes up to high speed.

Do you guys think the 4-matic will take away the fun part of driving? (I drive Audi now and I don't like the feeling.. Lots of under-steer.. etc) I always enjoyed the RWD feeling (feeling that someone pushes you from back)


Thank you!

trimox mne

Im gonna be getting 12 or 13 e63, but I talked to my dealer and asked him about new e63 and asked him that if you can get special order with rwd he told me "yes we can work something out" I dont know if this answers your question but... what ever you say... RWD will almost ALWAYS be more fun to drive.

Whufc

The european models will be RWD. But will also be right hand drive.
Im sure if you ask nicely you can get one imported!

TheOtherEric

It's a fair question; one that I've wondered as well. But so far the few driving reviews (e.g. Chris Harris, the C&D guy, etc) all say it's still great fun and the AWD doesn't take away from the joy. I'm coming from Audis as well, and MB clearly hasn't adopted Audi's Boring factor.

BTW, the S model does indeed get a torque increase, up to 590. Non-S is lower. It's basically the same as the current performance pkg.

otakki

I'm sure it will be more fun if they use the 20/80 rather than the 33/67 split.

hinewwin

Quick question.. I know that current E63 with PP makes around 550HP and 590 lb-ft, but how does M5 keeps up with (or win) E63 with PP which has 560HP and 500 lb-ft?

I say difference between 10HP is almost nothing but 90lb-ft difference seems big. Is it because the DCT is sooo efficient?

vdubpower

yes

callmiro

Quicker shifts make up the difference

Vic55

Concur.

The DCT also appears to have less crank hp to the ground hp loss than the MCT. Its very efficient in transferring the power the ground much like the DCT in the GTR which weighs 3900 plus lbs.

SilverBlownW211

From the first drive reviews, the new E63 is a very good handler. It's a little less of a hooligan, but it's not an understeering pig like many Audis.

TheOtherEric

FIFY.

And we're on our 3rd Audi.

hinewwin

Vic55, Since you own both M5 and CLS63, which exhaust sound do you prefer? I have driven the 2013 E63 W/O PP pack and loved the sound when the car is moving slowly(or at low RPM) but did not really like the sound at high RPM. From youtube video I have seen, I like the sound of M5 (higher tone) at high RPM compared to that of 63 AMGs.

I have been to BMW dealer and heard the startup sound of the M5 and didn't like it much compared to start up of 63 AMGs. But I could not test the high RPM sound of the M5 because.. I didn't want to driver at high RPM on these cars that are in break-in period.

So my question would be.. as a actual owner of both, which sound do you prefer in real world driving? (I don't want to start discussion about the active sound design of M5 but.. I just want to hear real world experience)

Thank you!

otakki

Hinewwin, have you listened to the sound of the M156 engine? Sorry, I know that's not what you're asking but I would like to hear what you think.

hinewwin

Yes. You mean the current engine on E63 right?

I loved the sound. It was really nice. (Especially start-up sound is fantastic)

But reason why I am asking that question is, I personally prefer the sound of M5 at higher RPMs. (what I hear from youtubes)

And wanted to know which one do owners of both M5 and E63 prefer in longer term.

Thank you!

Pagani

Torque rating is unchanged from previous PP to current S-Model, both 590 lbs. The basic version goes from 518 to 531, I think. The power goes up around 30hp on both.

@OP, you will not get an Audi feel to it. Audi has the understeering because it is a FWD-origin car and the engine is nearly entirely in fron of the forward axle.

otakki

The current engine is the 5.5TT you had driven in the '13 model. The previous engine in the '10-'11 is the 6.2 N/A. How do you like the sound from the 6.2 N/A?

hinewwin

I have only driven the 5.5TT version. So I am not sure about the 6.2 N/A sound

Zod

I have heard both M5 and M6 on the race track in abu dabi and they have no sound

i seriously mean it, they would be coming down the straight and i would go there to listen to what they sound like and...wshhhh silence

SLS comes by and OMG the sound

no new bi turbo AMG's were there though, but they sound awsome from what i have seen on the streets

otakki

Yup, that's the M159 engine, derived from the M156, aka 6.2 N/A.

m3m3m3

I have the 6.2 N/A and love the sound. My wife gets pissed cause sometimes I will just rev the engine to hear the sweet music

Max.H

Uhhm No, not a chance. 0-60 mph testing already got around 3.2 seconds on the 2014 E63.

AWD > RWD

Karl901

I definitely do think the E63 with 4 matic, with a simply ECU tune to 670 HP, will not be boring.

kart125

It's funny the way we always want more.... not so long ago 300HP was insane in a car! Now we are talking close to 600HP stock and we want more!! Can't wait to buy a 2020 minivan with 700HP!

JumpinJim

The question will be how much power can the awd system take. Renntech for example limits power in 1st and 2nd to protect the awd system in the 550. If the amg awd system is fragile tuning potential will be greatly limited.

Karl901

If you think about, it is probably why they fixed the split 66/33.
I broke my rear axle on my CLS 63 when I crossed the 900 lbs -ft (750 lbs-ft at the wheels) at 3200rpm.
What a great time to be alive. Enjoy it, before tree huggers stop all this fun!