Luvgoinfast

Hey guys first off like to say nice forum and hopefully can get some help lol. I'm getting ready for my next purchase and as the title states I have it narrowed to the 2. I was looking at the M5 also until driving it and I just wasn't as impressed with the interior and ride plus there is already 3 around here. I've read tons of reviews on both the others and drove them. I liked the ride of the E a ton better it seemed more livable to me as a daily which is what one of these will be. I'm torn because I like the uniqueness of the RS but also seems to me it's a bit more high strung. My problems come as when I drove the E63 they wouldn't allow any high revs well anything above 4k. Due to this I really couldn't get a legit feel for the car it seemed. As for the RS I was able to get on it a few times and it pulled like a freight train all the way. I know several people on here have a new E and was wondering how the power band feels and what is your experience with it? I'm coming from a lot of fast cars such as Vipers, Tuned Cobras and my only MB excursions have been a CLK 55 and my wife's CLA 250. I love tinkering with the cars and making them unique I guess. Stuff like exhaust, wheels and anything to make them faster. So a big part is how mod friendly are the 2 cars I've seen tuning already coming out but I don't hardly see many guys changing exhaust on AMGs. Sadly days of coupes and 2 seaters are gone with our little girl so wanting the best of both worlds speed and comfort lol. Thanks in advance for the help.

ced357

Its interesting you are cross shopping the RS7 and E63 rather than the CLS63, as it is also a 4 door coupe.

Anyway, the new engine in this car (2012+) is a beast. Many have run sub 12 sec 1/4's in stock form. With the new awe system there is no drama whatsoever, it just sticks and go. I have a tune on my CLS (approx 600 to the wheels) and it is just incredible. 11.2 in tyne 1/4 with stock tires. Ergo, there is a lot of room to gain big power with little effort and $. Not many touch the cat back part of the exhaust, mainly due to the perfect sound it emits. Downpipes are a great option for some power and sound increase. Emeric's car sounds insane with catless pipes. These cars have a fantastic build and easily make serious power without sacrificing daily duties.

As for the RS7, I have zero experience, but it is a looker

emericr

As Hal said, the new AWD M157 platform is amazing and leads to impressive results with just a tune.
I would wonder also why you have not looked at the CLS if you are contemplating the RS7. Maybe you don't like the design.
Let's stay on point. IF (and that is a big IF) money plays no role in your decision, then I would take the RS7. The interior and electronics are superior on the Audi. The exterior in matte grey with its carbon fiber accents is jaw dropping. It feels more special than the E AMG as there are plenty of E350 driving around.
Someone posted that a tuned APR RS7 got 10.7 at 1/4 / 129mph trap and that is faster than any tuned E or CLS.
You may want to message and talk to Karl901. He has both cars and he recently posted in the W218 forum that he was not satisfied with the overall driving feeling on the RS7.
Good luck choosing. It is a tough call. Post pics of the car when you get (even if it is an RS)

AMG E Power

Faster ? no, Quicker yes. the E.T is better but their have been biturbo AMG that have trapped 130MPH or better

Vic55

Im considering an RS7 as well having already run thru the CLS63TT and E63TT ownership program. Not because its better but because its new and different and I have no doubt it will not last a super long time in my stable.

If you do consider the RS7 make sure to get the Dynamic Package which includes steel spring and diagonal shocks. I hear that while this car is harsher on the streets its far more firm in the turns and a better handler that its brother RS7 with the air suspension.

I would call the 129 trap speed rather impressive for an AWD car as the top E63's tuned are RWD (comparing traps).... and the zero to 60 for the RWD cars dont come close. Here is the latest APR tune grid for the RS7; impressive stuff and this street tests no mag tests where they try over and over and also do roll outs:

nstanford99

really you cant go wrong with either car, personally i love both interiors, but the RS is a bit sweeter! Im not a fan of the exterior design of the RS, certain angles look ugly. I wanted to test drive one a few weeks ago but apparently the car was scratched so i couldnt.....dealers sucks. anyway the 60 time on the AMG is quicker, you have more power/tq with the AMG which is always fun! Personally for me i cannot own an audi as the dealer experience is terrible there and service is the worst i have ever seen, so stick with my mercedes dealer which is 5min from where i live! so i take all that into account when making a decision! Good luck and whichever you choose, both are amazing cars!

AMG E Power

you are right VIC 129MPH trap is impressive for AWD. Plenty of RWD AMG Biturbos have gone 10's and hit a trap of 130mph or better but I have only seen one of the new 14 E63s (AWD) go 129MPH and that was on 100oct.
As u and others know the ECU for new the AWD E63s has some TQ limitation thats limiting the car from its full power probably so u break any parts lol
I also read that u cant turn traction control off when using lanch control in the Benz whichs sucks IMO. so I just think the Audi as a better AWD system.
Lets see if they can stand the test of time and not blow up

Luvgoinfast

Thanks for the input guys. The main reason I didn't look at the CLS was mainly it just didn't appeal to me for some reason but couldn't tell you why lol. There was something about it that just didn't grab my attention. I did notice the bad body roll on the RS I drove my wife said it just felt squishy lol. Unlike the AMG it felt planted and felt confident when diving into a corner. Another big part I'm looking at as I go to the Dragons Tail I'm TN a few times a year and we have fun. Also I like everything you get with the AMG for the price but the exclusiveness of the RS. Damn why must this be so hard I usually can pick pretty easy.

JumpinJim

Just be careful, the RS7 run was done in very favorable conditions. Looking over the timeslip for that run the DA was -650.

Vic55

I would not say be careful but I would say lower ones expectations... but it still was on 93 octane fuel and as I said earlier AWD so I expected the ET to be there but not so much the trap speed. Even if it trapped at 127 that would be impressive and the 10.69 is silly for a 4500 plus lb car. Oh yeah the RS7 is a fatty.

I was in Newport Beach today and say one at the local Audi store.... it looks much much much better in person (cliche or not) and the seats are really nice. It had the quilted sport seats.

nstanford99

yeah ive seen a few of them in person and they dont look bad, i like them wayyyy better than the a7/s6. I would pick the AMG, but then again im extremely bias!

richardaz

Perhaps this will help. A review comparing the two (plus a Jag):
http://www.europeancarweb.com/featur...enz_e63_amg_s/

dr. ss

The e63 s out handles the rs7 when both cars driven 10/10ths. The w212 is a better balanced platform when compared to rs7 and f10 m5.

After tune idk what else the Audi offers. Merc has upgrade able turbos, downpipes , and AMS is building the motors already in r&d.

No replacement for displacement also. 5.5 liters to spread the torque over, so more durable to more hp and tq when modded. The m157 hold 900lb ft of tq no problem on stock internals.

It's just more hardy and more manly then a rs7 IMO, u can grab it by the scruff and really throw it around very robustly built.

My buddy has a s4 it's always in the shop , my partnER has a s6 same story.

dr. ss

This is a good review , it also mentions the e63 has better "sports car" balance when driven hard compared to others. Also I think the amg has the best steering feel, makes the car nimble and belies it size. It Rlly does feel smaller then it is.

Luvgoinfast

Just by driving both you can feel the difference of the body movement. I just wonder how the other suspension on the rs does. I figured it'd be a lot harsher then the air. Thank for the link also Richard finally a review with what I'm looking at. I think the more I read the more I lean towards the E63 it seems to be the best all around of the 2.

richardaz

The new Road & Track (March/April) has a comparison test of the E63S sedan, Porsche Panamera turbo, Audi RS7, Jaguar XFR-S and the BMW M-5 w/competition pack. It might also help in your decision as to which car to purchase. As wagon owner, I was pleased to (once again) read that the wagon has better balance than the sedan. Also, if you are concerned about the conservative appearance of the E63S sedan, I can tell you that the wagon does draw some interest on the street.

JumpinJim

Right, have more realistic expectations is a better way to put it. Depends on where you live. Here in Dallas we're lucky to have a +2000 DA. In those conditions given the weight of the car I would expect an 11.2 @ 123.

plivac

So what are the results.... this is the comp everyone was waiting for....

TMC M5

Ask and you shall receive:

cnolke

Wow... If I can read right, the scores say the BMW gearbox was even worse than our MCT. Engine pull? 5! (and thats before a tune).

richardaz

It is quite a long article so I will only hit the high points here:

• Appearance: Disliked the appearance of the updated Porsche, thought the MB was frumpy and dowdy, loved the Jag, called the Audi “elegant and brutal” and called the BMW “beautiful, muscular and proportioned perfectly”
• Performance: MB was the fastest to 130mph by 1 second to the Audi which was second. Both registered 3.2 seconds to 60; M-5 is 3.8; Panamera is 3.4 and the Jag is 3.7 seconds
• E63 had the lowest G-force rating (88g) with the others .91 to .97 (Panamera was best)
• Other miscellaneous quotes: “the E63 rides like a dream”, “the BMW is a torment on the drag strip”, “on twisty roads, the Panamera feels like it weighs a ton or two less than the other cars”, the Jag has “best-in-test steering”, “E63 has the best real world fuel economy”, “on narrow back roads, none of us trusted the Porsche or the Audi the way we trusted this Mercedes”, “we were always sure which way the BMW would go, because the answer was always sideways”, and regarding the Jag, “you don’t buy a Jaguar with your brain. You buy it because it will look stunning broken down on the side of the road”.
• Price as tested: Panamera $178,910; Audi RS-7 $122,545; M-5 $117,075; E63 $106,825: and Jaguar $105,770.

They didn’t show a ranking. Each had its benefits and detractions. I suggest you pick up the magazine to get the subtleties.

dr. ss

"Dowdy" lol. The e63 and m5 are the only 2 that don't look like they are wearing "nail polish" all business=badass

Luvgoinfast

That review has really drove home the points I've thought myself on some. Especially questioning the Audi's handling. I felt it on my spirited test drive lol. It looks as the E63 has won. I've talked to my dealer yesterday and will be holding off until I can order a 15. I want to see if we get any new color options. It'll be diamond white, black interior, S model of course, night styling, black wheels and some extra goodies. Still up in the air on pan roof mainly cause my little girl loves it and I never had one. So soon as the 15's can be ordered I'll be putting my order in. Thanks for all the help guys.

Munich77

Nice choice. I ended up with a Panoramic Moonroof on my E550. While I would never have thought of buying it, it looks killer with the black interior and black headliner.

nstanford99

good choice! a friend of mine drove the audi and said it didnt do much for him, id still like to drive it to formulate my own opinion. i cant wait to see the full article, its about time they test sedan!