vcci

i'm considering a W212 E63 to replace my totaled(or soon to be)W211 E63. Curious what the difference between the 2010/2011/2012. I believe mechanically they are the same? appearance difference? Thanks in advance.

JumpinJim

2011 has alcantara headliner whereas the 2010 doesn't. Otherwise I think the 2010 and 2011 are the same.


2012 has the biturbo motor.

vcci

i thought the biturbos started in 13.

vdubpower

2012

joew111

The MY10 has the 6.2lt and has silver colouring around the gearshift console
The MY11 also has the 6.2lt and has black colouring around the gearshift - they also improved fuel economy and as said the alcantara
The MY12 has the 5.5TT the colour graphic display AMG speedo (before that it was B&W). But for all the details:

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mercede...-ar108830.html

otakki

Good read on that link with some interesting infos I didn't know about before. However, it's not so easy sorting out the differences between the MY's based on the way it's written.

RW C55

Since this is an internation forum, I'd also like to point out that Canadian vehicles equiped differently than the US... My Canadian 2010 came with Alcantara headliner.

joew111

As understand things MY10 began being built in Aug 2009, MY11 in Aug 2010 and MY12 in Aug 2011...

Cheers
Joe

lils

2011 has improved fuel economy over the 2010?

otakki

I doubt that. Those two model years are essentially the same except some cosmetic differences and later '11 having the new headbolts for the engine.

lils

ahh okay...tech wise its all the same?

Tjdehya

Did you read the article that was linked in the post you quoted?
I guess you didn't either.

Or maybe the information is wrong.

sunil517

I am now looking for a 12 biTurbo I also thought its was a 13 and up car.
My W211 was max on performance and getting 10-11 is just a body change with a power drop so 2012 is it....Did they payoff as yet? Remember to get all your options from the dealer....

mellowyellow

Ah yes, just a body change with a power drop...

JumpinJim

Actually yes, the 6.2 is considered by many a downgrade over the 5.5k. It doesn't make any more HP, except on paper, and makes a lot less TQ and is slower than the old E55. The 5.5tt is the 5.5k's true successor.

otakki

According to fuel economy rating repored by MB and fueleconomy.gov, both '10 and '11 have the same fuel economy. I read that article, which seems to jump all over the place and it's difficult to follow the distinctions between some MY's. However, that might be due to differences in specs for different countries.

MB should just match the car's nomenclature with the engine size instead of calling everything "63." Yes, in terms of hp/tq and "tune-ability," the M156 was a downgrade. It's simply due to the fact that M156 is N/A and M157 is FI. M156 was designed to be a racing unit more suitable for lighter cars and not really for a large, heavy saloon car like E or S class doing lots of stop-and-go. As a result, the M156-based M159 was used for the SLS, not the M157 which wouldn't be the proper application for the SLS.

lils

Is the 2011 worth it over a 2010?
Im trying to find a 2011 that i want but its pretty hard to find but theres 2010s all over.

RoninAMG

Heavy inventory for 2010's E63's because lots of them are coming off of Lease's. I just purchased one and there were nearly 5 on the lot to choose from. And knowing all the options a particular car came with was very important to me because I would go nuts if there was an option out there that I really would have used that I didn't take the time to educate myself even existed. An easy way to actually see the features available is to go to Google and do a search for: "Options available for a 2010 E63". What's cool is in the page link below when you're done reviewing the 2010 you can simply change it to 2011 and then 2012. I printed out all these documents before I hit the streets on my Mission to own a 518hp rocket by weeks end. And I'm glad I did all the research I did because I got just about every feature available including Night View Assist Plus which seems to be really rare. And no, it's not as cool as it sounds. Good luck out there.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/...kages_options/

lils

you rock...ive been looking for a link like that....couldnt fiugre out all these options with these benzes

mellowyellow

I know people are in love with the 5.5, but when the OP makes a bold statement like "body change with a power drop" (which is not just about the motor) you better have some more facts to back it up.

The 6.2NA motor is a phenomenal powerplant, no one disputes that. The sound is also amazing. Anyone can stick a supercharger or turbo on a motor and make it perform great. Have you seen the 360hp 4-banger from AMG?

Interior difference perhaps in the "body change"? Yeah this one is so much better.

otakki

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the same goes for cars. W211's rounded interior matches the exterior and is a completely different design direction from the pre-facelifted W212's overall interior and exterior angular and boxy industrial design. The pre-facelifted W212 was intentionally designed to evoke the look of earlier E-class such as from the 80's, along with Ponton line from even earlier. Thus one reason for the awkwardness of the facelifted W212 is the discrepancy of the front and rear with the rest of the car including the interior. One good thing with the W211 was that MB did not mix and match the update.

Round, flowing design has again returned for the new C-class with a rounded interior which matches the rounded S-class like exterior. So I guess boxy vs roundness will just keep on taking turn coming back to the design table. In design, boxy is generally associated with masculine and roundness with feminine. Unfortunately, mixing them usually don't turn out very well, because what you end up is a "hermaphrodite." But I'm sure some prefer that. Personally, I prefer boxy. Of course, roundness is just as sexy in a different way.

mellowyellow

Bingo.

One thing I find really interesting is how people hang on to old designs. No other is stronger than the 993 in the Porsche 911 line. Old interior, but the damn thing is air cooled. "If it ain't air cooled, it's krap" many faithful say.... Well, progress is progress, regardless of the luddites who insist the old stuff is good, and soon we'll all be driving hybrid sports cars with 500 gas+electric horsepower with more oversight nannies than you care to deal with, and service is going to be ridiculous because that computer that controls 25% of the electronics is $2500. And by the way, it will likely fail before 75K miles.

That's why people yearn for the "good 'ol days'...

Personally, I like progress...

vcci

So I recently test drove 2 W212 63's and am sad to report that i was disappointed. On both vehicles I noticed a slight hesitation at take off, not sure what it is but one of the owners told me its normal. If my car drove like that and it was normal it would no longer be my car. One thing i liked a lot is the transmission, it was really nice with crisp shifts in M mode. So at this point i'm back to the decision board. Not sure what i'll end up with but doing some sort of E63 to 500E swap is on the options list but a W212 63 is definitely out of the question.

dr. ss

Tune it, the throttle will get touchier

clkhunting

If you don't mind me asking what would you consider a good deal on a 2010 E63? I'm in the market and see a wide variance in price, and unfortunately there aren't many local to the South Florida market so will probably have to ship.