GAD vs Weistec vs AMS vs PP performance vs Renntech turbo upgrade?
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one forum member here has ams turbo'd car but doesnt track it.... seems thats the nature of the current crop of most M157 guys, they just dont really care that much about more power (with the exception of you, me, and a few others)....
once these cars are around $25K you will see more of the e55/w204 c63 crowd migrate over and start swapping turbos and doing bigger builds
once these cars are around $25K you will see more of the e55/w204 c63 crowd migrate over and start swapping turbos and doing bigger builds
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Pretty much what I implied in previous thread, I will not buy a 4500lb sled to race. However if I really want to see what she can do, I prefer to do it at the track. Occasional street romps will happen, but it's in the very very minority not the norm
Originally Posted by gaspam
i would not buy a luxury car for a track car... i would buy something that i could turn into a 7 sec car
i bought my car for cruising the street in style, class and luxury comfort and made it faster so that 99% of the people that try to block me from passing, cut me off, or mess with me, cant its a daily chore in miami, its like being in the road warrior movies lol
i bought my car for cruising the street in style, class and luxury comfort and made it faster so that 99% of the people that try to block me from passing, cut me off, or mess with me, cant its a daily chore in miami, its like being in the road warrior movies lol
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These are why I am not so impressed with turbo upgrades on the M157 as of now (and I like AMS, quality products!)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5675761
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5675793
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5676078
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5675761
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5675793
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5676078
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These are why I am not so impressed with turbo upgrades on the M157 as of now (and I like AMS, quality products!)
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5675761
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5675793
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5676078
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5675761
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5675793
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post5676078
lol why? because Jcart , who's car ran 9.16 @150.7mph 1/4 and 4.0 sec 60-130mph... ran 163-164mph in the 1/2 and ams ran 164 mph? if anything , that should impress the hell out of anyone
and if your not impressed by a 6.5sec 60-130mph then you must think the fast M5 F10 that runs in the 9's is slow too since it runs almost the same 60-130
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lol why? because Jcart , who's car ran 9.16 @150.7mph 1/4 and 4.0 sec 60-130mph... ran 163-164mph in the 1/2 and ams ran 164 mph? if anything , that should impress the hell out of anyone
and if your not impressed by a 6.5sec 60-130mph then you must think the fast M5 F10 that runs in the 9's is slow too since it runs almost the same 60-130
and if your not impressed by a 6.5sec 60-130mph then you must think the fast M5 F10 that runs in the 9's is slow too since it runs almost the same 60-130
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the other facts remain 6.5sec 60-130 is fast... our tuned/dp cars run about 7.9 sec for reference
again, the 9.9 @140 F10 M5, that you seem to be so impressed, with runs 6.2-6.3, so the ams turbo car (6.5) is pretty close with it on the street and the M5 has 40whp more and faster trans up top.
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that thread was from june of 2013.... jcart was running 10.01 @ 140 then.... you're not impressed by that? please post you 9.99@141 or better timeslip in any MB
the other facts remain 6.5sec 60-130 is fast... our tuned/dp cars run about 7.9 sec for reference
again, the 9.9 @140 F10 M5, that you seem to be so impressed, with runs 6.2-6.3, so the ams turbo car (6.5) is pretty close with it on the street and the M5 has 40whp more and faster trans up top.
the other facts remain 6.5sec 60-130 is fast... our tuned/dp cars run about 7.9 sec for reference
again, the 9.9 @140 F10 M5, that you seem to be so impressed, with runs 6.2-6.3, so the ams turbo car (6.5) is pretty close with it on the street and the M5 has 40whp more and faster trans up top.
Only mention of that that I can remember was about them doing better now that they broke through their software hangup and even cracking 9s. Completely unrelated to anything I am saying here about larger turbos on M157s
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Actually you are the one who is impressed with the F10 M5, I have never mentioned that car in the last few weeks. You keep bringing it up and I am not even sure why???
Only mention of that that I can remember was about them doing better now that they broke through their software hangup and even cracking 9s. Completely unrelated to anything I am saying here about larger turbos on M157s
Only mention of that that I can remember was about them doing better now that they broke through their software hangup and even cracking 9s. Completely unrelated to anything I am saying here about larger turbos on M157s
The F10 M5s are in the 9s already at full weight
You are right, converting to MAP makes it easier once you start going for really big power. However look back at the M113k engines also SD.....crickets in the 9s still (except a CLK with an engine swap, I do not count that since it is a good 400-500lbs lighter)
For a daily driver the M157 is phenomenal and more than enough. We are living in some wonderful times that 600-730 BHP and making over 20MPG on a 4300lb family sedan is considered "normal". That being said, the powercurve of the S63TU gives me all kinds of wood even though I like the overall E63 car better.
The M157 powercurve however looks just like a typical American big block all torque with choked up heads.
You are right, converting to MAP makes it easier once you start going for really big power. However look back at the M113k engines also SD.....crickets in the 9s still (except a CLK with an engine swap, I do not count that since it is a good 400-500lbs lighter)
For a daily driver the M157 is phenomenal and more than enough. We are living in some wonderful times that 600-730 BHP and making over 20MPG on a 4300lb family sedan is considered "normal". That being said, the powercurve of the S63TU gives me all kinds of wood even though I like the overall E63 car better.
The M157 powercurve however looks just like a typical American big block all torque with choked up heads.
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i guess we got to get these 4600lbs cars in the 8's to impress you
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And yes it is impressive that a RS7 can and will run mid 10s with a tune only race gas or not. When the E63s start doing it with any frequency (at the track not the street where you can easily kill innocent people), that will also be impressive! If it did it with only 125mph, I will be even more impressed with its chassis/powertrain combo which is the ONLY reason I brought up that car to begin with
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got it, going as fast as a gutted stage3+ weistec M156, that runs as fast as the fastest F10 M5 (basically the standard to beat for german 4-door performance at the moment) and wayyyy faster than ANY RS7, is unimpressive
i guess we got to get these 4600lbs cars in the 8's to impress you
i guess we got to get these 4600lbs cars in the 8's to impress you
Yes finally you get it!!! Then it will impress me, and not a 1000th of a second sooner
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You really have no idea of context do you???
And yes it is impressive that a RS7 can and will run mid 10s with a tune only race gas or not. When the E63s start doing it with any frequency (at the track not the street where you can easily kill innocent people), that will also be impressive!
And yes it is impressive that a RS7 can and will run mid 10s with a tune only race gas or not. When the E63s start doing it with any frequency (at the track not the street where you can easily kill innocent people), that will also be impressive!
and are you kidding me about the RS7's running 10s with GREAT frequency tune only??? seems like i am not the one with problems of context....there are 3 RS7's on dragtimes running in the 10's with just a tune! and only 5 when you add in DP cars.... there are more M157's in the 10's on dragtimes ( i counted 10 without double counting cars).. and dont bring up downpipes on M157 cuz we all know they dont do Sh*t on our cars ( maybe 10-20whp which is way less than what race fuel does on an RS7 race file map ~60whp)
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oh i get it, so something that still ends up slower than something else, but made big change from original is impressive... not the overall end result... so like when a tuned rs7 does 3 pulls on the highway with tuned M5 and tuned e63 and looses all 3 pretty decently, the rs7 is still the most impressive
and are you kidding me about the RS7's running 10s with GREAT frequency tune only??? seems like i am not the one with problems of context....there are 3 RS7's on dragtimes running in the 10's with just a tune! and only 5 when you add in DP cars.... there are more M157's in the 10's on dragtimes ( i counted 10 without double counting cars).. and dont bring up downpipes on M157 cuz we all know they dont do Sh*t on our cars ( maybe 10-20whp which is way less than what race fuel does on an RS7 race file map ~60whp)
and are you kidding me about the RS7's running 10s with GREAT frequency tune only??? seems like i am not the one with problems of context....there are 3 RS7's on dragtimes running in the 10's with just a tune! and only 5 when you add in DP cars.... there are more M157's in the 10's on dragtimes ( i counted 10 without double counting cars).. and dont bring up downpipes on M157 cuz we all know they dont do Sh*t on our cars ( maybe 10-20whp which is way less than what race fuel does on an RS7 race file map ~60whp)
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i agree and thats why i find the M157 impressive too,,,,and whats faster on the highway is whats most important to me as i drive way more there than the track... and from 50+mph is really where i want my car to be the fastest since that's when i get the most people that want to mess around with me
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ams made 787 whp on turbo upgrade (they did 165 mph in standing 1/2 mile while still in testing--- fyi, that is about the same that the fastest F10 M5 (ram_allmotor that runs 9.9@140) ran... his 60-130 vbox is slightly faster 6.2 vs 6.5 for ams e63, but to be fair that M5 has a lot of work and makes 825 whp ....
just because people dont track there cars, doesnt mean it doesnt make power... i know plenty of guys with 1000+whp cars (not mb) that have never tracked them, but still stomp everything they come across on the street (where i care most if my car is fast)
just because people dont track there cars, doesnt mean it doesnt make power... i know plenty of guys with 1000+whp cars (not mb) that have never tracked them, but still stomp everything they come across on the street (where i care most if my car is fast)
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Weistec W3 vs Renntech tuned/DP car
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Also there was a thread about the 174mph run being a rolling run vs a lot of the records posted at other events with other brand of cars were from standstill
http://www.porscheboost.com/content.php?5423-The-fastest-AMG-M157-V8-in-the-1-2-mile-Weistec-built-W212-E63-AMG-S-4Matic-goes-174-55
As a reference, Racelogic piggyback tuned wagon did 160-161mph in the half mile from standstill (not the same track).
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Seems like the same car at the same event, didn't run well against the Renntech car?
Also there was a thread about the 174mph run being a rolling run vs a lot of the records posted at other events with other brand of cars were from standstill
http://www.porscheboost.com/content....ic-goes-174-55
As a reference, Racelogic piggyback tuned wagon did 160-161mph in the half mile from standstill (not the same track).
Also there was a thread about the 174mph run being a rolling run vs a lot of the records posted at other events with other brand of cars were from standstill
http://www.porscheboost.com/content....ic-goes-174-55
As a reference, Racelogic piggyback tuned wagon did 160-161mph in the half mile from standstill (not the same track).
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Do they use garrett GTX2860R or GTX2871R core ?
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I believe stock is GT2252 based
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I believe stock is GT2252 based
https://www.amsperformance.com/cart/...-452187-6.html
