abcut973

Anyone in the Newark CA area that could check a car for me?

abcut973

So I have a new lead on an what the dealer calls "NEW" 2014 with 1350 miles. Car has never been titled but was part of the driving academy.
It has CC brakes, CF int and ext with a MSRP of $120k+.
First what do you think? 1000 miles of track use is a lot for me. They are saying car was properly maintained with new tires etc.... Would you be afraid to buy one of these fleet cars? What I don't understand is how come the car has never been titled?
Second how much do you think I should ask off MSRP? If everything checks out I'm thinking about offering $100k for it. Is it too much low ball?

PeterUbers

$100k - I'd start at $95k -- what do you have to lose??? nothing

It ain't going anywhere fast. It's not titled because it was owned by benz, i presume, and never officially delivered to a customer.

1350 hard miles on that car, but the AMG can take it... $95k is a good starting number. I wouldn't buy a track car, but I know many will come on and tell you that's it's perfectly fine. There's gunna be plenty of 2014 used S model E63's coming up with low miles (under 5k) that were not track cars and driven much less aggressively. And these will be had for $80k to $90k depending options and dealer attitude

abcut973

Thanks for the comment.
Yeah I know there will be more cars coming by the end of the year in about 2-3 months time. Would I be patient to wait until that point... I don't know... time will tell.
I'll take your advice and start my negotiation at $95k and see what they say. Car has a build date of 02/14 but I don't know how long it has been on the dealer's showroom and I don't trust what they say

ace10

First. Do the installed options have any value for you?

The base price of the car was under $100K.

If you don't value the options at close to retail, then I would begin at $90K and work slowly up from there.... And of course, demand that it be CPO'd.

$0.02

abcut973

Well the CF bits and CCB are options that I'm looking for. Although not necessarily the CCB but it is nice to have them on a car I feel I can get a good price for.
The problem with CPO is dealer won't do it on a technically new car since it was not titled. Hence the pre-owned designation does not apply somehow

ace10

To the best of my understanding... AMGDA doesn't use E63S. They have the CLS63S and the E63 in the fleet.

I didn't see any E63S when I was at COTA in the Spring. In fact, I drove one of the maybe two base E63 there.

abcut973

Well I have the build sheet and it says E63P on it. So I don't know. The sales person said the mileage was due to car being tested. So I asked was it for AMG driving academy and they replied yes. According to them they have the car for month now

PeterUbers

If the build sheet says e63P you're in business ... Model S

What options on the build sheet?

abcut973

Code Description Price
E63P $99,770
799 Diamond White $795
821 Black Nappa Lthr. w/cont. stitch/silver
B07 AMG Carbon Ceramic Braking System $8,950
H73 Carbon Fiber Trim $2,850
Y04 Safety Belts in Silver
068 Wheel Locking bolts $140
070 Chrome Door Handle Inserts $90
076 Factory Code
413 Power Tilt / Sliding Panorama Sunroof $1,090
752 19-Inch AMG 10-Spoke Wheels - Black $500
773 AMG® Exterior Carbon Fiber Package: Carb $5,500
B28 : Additional AMG Carbon Fiber Components
U47 : Carbon Fiber Trunklid Spoiler
773 : AMG Exterior Carbon Package
8U1 Factory Code
810 harman/kardon LOGIC7 Surround Sound Syst
995 995 AMG Parking Assist Package: Surround $800
P44 : Parking Package (RVC & Parktronic)
501 : Surround View Camera
997 997 Driver Assistance Package: DISTRONI $2,800
23P : Driver Assistance Package
233 : DISTRONIC PLUS (with PRE-SAFE Brake)
237 : Active Blind Spot Assist
238 : Active Lane Keeping Assist
253 : CMS Rear
266 : DISTRONIC PLUS with Steering Assist
268 : BAS PLUS w/Cross-Traffic Assist
269 : Badging on Dashboard
271 : PRE-SAFE PLUS
300 : PRE-SAFE Brake
SUBTOTAL $123,285
DESTINATION & DELIVERY $925
TOTAL $124,210

richardaz

Then I would insist on a 7 year 100K extended warrantee. You can bet the break in period of "driving it softly" was not observed.

abcut973

I would love to but how can I get an extended warranty on a car that was not titled?

richardaz

If they are selling you the car as the first owner, you should be able to buy the MB extended new car warrantee. Expect to pay around $3,600 for a 7 year, 100K mile, MB warrantee (that is what I paid). Or you could negotiate that into the purchase price discount.


Search this site and you will find dealers who discount the warrantee if the dealer you are dealing with will not meet approximately this cost (or cover the cost of the warrantee themselves to "sweeten the deal").


One participant on this site posted: "MBUSA extended limited warranty. I bought the 5 yr 75k when i picked up my E63P a couple weeks ago for $2269, knowing i could shop around for a better deal in my first 30 days. After 30 days they tack on an additional 15% to the purchase price. I decided to get the 7yr 100k, price at my dealer (initially quoted $4999) when pushed to max $4299, second price check different dealer $3749 and best dealer I can find is $3599 (MB of Austin TX Dan Boone is the director of finance 512-454-6821). While I did not go for 7yr 125k, prices were $6199, $4367 and $4220 The mark up on this stuff must be huge, be careful all. Hope this helps folks save $. I will put the $700 saved to good use on winter wheels and tires"

abcut973

Thanks for the tip

PeterUbers

I got a 7/75k elw warranty for $2600 from dan Boone. And my car was "used" with 85 miles ... It's all the same to Mbusa, so long as it's put in the star database correctly

abcut973

That 7y/75 or 100k miles ELW is 7 years/XXX k miles on top of the factory warranty/mileage? or Overall?
It is always confusing me

sdg1871

I would be reluctant to buy a car that was part of the driving academy. All the components esp the new engine would get beat to **** by so much tracking. I wonder how much of the super expensive CCB pads and rotors were consumed by all that super heavy braking. I would not start above $85k.

abcut973

That is a bit my concern as well. But according to the dealer all inspections were done. They checked the brakes and would have changed them if needed. Again a speech that I'm not trusting 100%.

richardaz

Total time and mileage.

otakki

Just make sure that CCB is not right on the borderline spec where any further would require replacing the rotors.