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*VIDEO* E63 Alpha 7 Endurance Testing – ELEVEN 10 Second Passes In One Night.

Old Aug 22, 2014 | 11:22 AM
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Great job gents! Look forward to your progression with additional parts!
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 11:31 AM
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Why is there a bigger gain on the 4Matic Vs. RWD?
AMG probably made a few tweaks with the engine on the facelifted models We have seen RWD models produce similar power as well though - Seems to depend on the car
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 11:33 AM
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I want...

Not to be obtuse here (apologies in advance), but did you use Launch Control (RS)? I thought your earlier post a few weeks back had said you did not. The salesman who sold me my car told me about the MB tech who told them they could use it over and over w/o problems, but with the higher output from your upgrades, does the use of RS damage anything in the tranny? The video doesn't sound like your mashing the gas on RS starts like here...

[url="http://youtu.be/nVujfup0w4E"]http://youtu.be/nVujfup0w4E[url]

Nice work, gents.
We found that we got a better/harder launch by not using the Race Start feature.
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 07:38 PM
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We cannot predict how it will affect long term reliability - too many variables in that equation. Our thoughts are the engine will be fine, but the trans might go through some wear items quicker. We do have upgrades in the works for those parts however. That said, the added torque would be the thing that causes the parts to wear faster, so with that concern we can always dial the tq down a bit on your custom tune to make you comfortable about the longevity of the car
This is a very impressive answer. Does it cost more money than the standard price to have such a custom tune done? I know one of your competitors has an intermediate tune so I guess you would be talking about a custom tune along those lines.
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AMS_Performance
We cannot predict how it will affect long term reliability - too many variables in that equation. Our thoughts are the engine will be fine, but the trans might go through some wear items quicker. We do have upgrades in the works for those parts however. That said, the added torque would be the thing that causes the parts to wear faster, so with that concern we can always dial the tq down a bit on your custom tune to make you comfortable about the longevity of the car


Custom tune...I had dreams of that once.
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Old Aug 23, 2014 | 01:23 AM
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Hey first off the E63 looks amazing...

I know this isn't regarding performance but what tint did you have on the car?
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EkS
Why is there a bigger gain on the 4Matic Vs. RWD?
Originally Posted by AMS_Performance
AMG probably made a few tweaks with the engine on the facelifted models We have seen RWD models produce similar power as well though - Seems to depend on the car
2013 RWD


2014 AWD


Hmm your dynos from your website show BOTH NON-s models tested AFTER your TUNE only show quite a bit more difference in hp/tq output hardly SIMILAR after BOTH models are equally tuned both obviously adjusted by you guys to show Crank #'s (wish it was rear wheel results though) 13' rear wheel drive model tuned makes ONLY 630 HP 750 TQ vs 14' AWD model makes 700 HP 830 TQ IE RWD makes 70 less HP & 80 less TQ than AWD model after your tunes That's a HUGE difference

What am I missing here I realize the 13' model is ONLY showing 518 hp vs 14' model showing 598 hp but aren't both STOCK tunes using similar/same boost? What's going on in these virtually same stock engines to show such a huge difference in stock hp/tq output? Remember these are both NON-S models you've tested here per your website IE here's your S model graph below..

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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 07:56 PM
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wow that last stock number is very high, to the crank correct?
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 08:10 PM
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How much for ams tune of the e63S (no exhaust work or turbo work... Just tune)? Where is ams located?
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 09:31 PM
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Per their website $2999.00 for ANY v8 biturbo tune..
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 09:37 PM
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How much for ams tune of the e63S (no exhaust work or turbo work... Just tune)? Where is ams located?
They are located in West Chicago, Illinois. They have dealers elsewhere. They have achieved amazing results in their tuning and work on GT-Rs including an 1800 horsepower model.
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 09:40 PM
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They are located in West Chicago, Illinois. They have dealers elsewhere. They have achieved amazing results in their tuning and work on GT-Rs including an 1800 horsepower model.
I work in Bloomingdale, il. Five minutes from there I should stop by
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 09:27 AM
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How much for ams tune of the e63S (no exhaust work or turbo work... Just tune)? Where is ams located?
$2,999 for the tune.
Feel free to stop by the shop since you are so close, we will show you around
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 09:29 AM
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This is a very impressive answer. Does it cost more money than the standard price to have such a custom tune done? I know one of your competitors has an intermediate tune so I guess you would be talking about a custom tune along those lines.
It would be the same no cost difference
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 09:30 AM
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Are tuners still working on a handheld option?
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 09:34 AM
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wow that last stock number is very high, to the crank correct?
Crank hp yes, the 4Matics are quite under rated from the factory!
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 10:00 AM
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Hmm your dynos from your website show BOTH NON-s models tested AFTER your TUNE only show quite a bit more difference in hp/tq output hardly SIMILAR after BOTH models are equally tuned both obviously adjusted by you guys to show Crank #'s (wish it was rear wheel results though) 13' rear wheel drive model tuned makes ONLY 630 HP 750 TQ vs 14' AWD model makes 700 HP 830 TQ IE RWD makes 70 less HP & 80 less TQ than AWD model after your tunes That's a HUGE difference

What am I missing here I realize the 13' model is ONLY showing 518 hp vs 14' model showing 598 hp but aren't both STOCK tunes using similar/same boost? What's going on in these virtually same stock engines to show such a huge difference in stock hp/tq output? Remember these are both NON-S models you've tested here per your website IE here's your S model graph below..
Honestly this is just a mistake on our part with the graph for a 2012/2013. We see anywhere from 580-630whp on 2012/2013's which is surely much higher than 630hp at the engine. There must have been a communication breakdown when creating that page. We will have the correct graph up shortly.

Our apologies for the mix-up and thank you for pointing that out.

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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AMS_Performance
It would be the same no cost difference
That's impressive. I will run 93 octane. Is your tune optimized for that or for race gas? I will never be running race gas.

I understand your warranty is 12 months. Is there an option to purchase a longer warranty for more money (I ask because the other tune I was looking at is $500 more but has a two year warranty). Does the warranty cover just the ECU or would it cover a situation where an engine blowing or transmission failure can be traced to the tune (that is, if MB so contends). That type of issue is always on my mind which I why I went Dinan with my BMW 550xi when I tuned it.
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That's impressive. I will run 93 octane. Is your tune optimized for that or for race gas? I will never be running race gas.

I understand your warranty is 12 months. Is there an option to purchase a longer warranty for more money (I ask because the other tune I was looking at is $500 more but has a two year warranty). Does the warranty cover just the ECU or would it cover a situation where an engine blowing or transmission failure can be traced to the tune (that is, if MB so contends). That type of issue is always on my mind which I why I went Dinan with my BMW 550xi when I tuned it.
Excellent question
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AMS_Performance
Honestly this is just a mistake on our part with the graph for a 2012/2013. We see anywhere from 580-630whp on 2012/2013's which is surely much higher than 630hp at the engine. There must have been a communication breakdown when creating that page. We will have the correct graph up shortly.

Our apologies for the mix-up and thank you for pointing that out.

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wow very interesting thnx for honest answers! You guys are a cut above the rest I asked a similar question to Weistec on their dynos and they fired back at me like I was calling them out or saying their tune didn't make the power etc etc.. Far from it, I posed the Q just like inquiry here very NON confrontational etc etc.. After I sell my SL, and pikup a either CLS63 or E63 V8 Biturbo AMS will 110% getting her for ECU etc etc..
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 05:44 PM
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That's impressive. I will run 93 octane. Is your tune optimized for that or for race gas? I will never be running race gas.

I understand your warranty is 12 months. Is there an option to purchase a longer warranty for more money (I ask because the other tune I was looking at is $500 more but has a two year warranty). Does the warranty cover just the ECU or would it cover a situation where an engine blowing or transmission failure can be traced to the tune (that is, if MB so contends). That type of issue is always on my mind which I why I went Dinan with my BMW 550xi when I tuned it.
The tune can be optimized for 93 octane, that is what most customers opt for

We will warranty the ECU for 24 months . The warranty, like the other tune, would cover the ECU only.
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The tune can be optimized for 93 octane, that is what most customers opt for

We will warranty the ECU for 24 months . The warranty, like the other tune, would cover the ECU only.
Eric, Thanks for the honest and quick replies.
I bet you'll be making lots of new friends on this forum, I'll seriously consider your Tune when my car comes in :-)
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Originally Posted by AMS_Performance
The tune can be optimized for 93 octane, that is what most customers opt for

We will warranty the ECU for 24 months . The warranty, like the other tune, would cover the ECU only.
Bravo on the answers. AMS is definitely making some friends here. Given that your website says the warranty is 12 months would you charge extra for the additional 12 months? Or would you put that on the receipt for the tune?
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Bravo on the answers. AMS is definitely making some friends here. Given that your website says the warranty is 12 months would you charge extra for the additional 12 months? Or would you put that on the receipt for the tune?

The website will be corrected shortly, this wouldn't be an additional charge.
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