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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 11:48 AM
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Pulling the trigger on a 2015 E63S wagon..

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Long time lurker, first time poster here. Just got back from my dealer this morning about pricing out a 2015 E63 wagon. Total damage around $115K. With the ED, I'm looking at a 7% discount (non-ED 3.5% off). Now, can I negotiate the price any further? The dealer sounded like 7% is the best they can do for ED. Any advice guys?

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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 02:06 PM
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No idea about ED pricing - I thought it was a pretty good deal at 7% for an ordered car. Perhaps some Fleet Employee Program discount or thru USAA or similar MB sponsored program.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 02:24 PM
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by neurotichamster
Hello

Long time lurker, first time poster here. Just got back from my dealer this morning about pricing out a 2015 E63 wagon. Total damage around $115K. With the ED, I'm looking at a 7% discount (non-ED 3.5% off). Now, can I negotiate the price any further? The dealer sounded like 7% is the best they can do for ED. Any advice guys?

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I went through all of this very recently.

For ED, the best you will get is out 8% off plus the delivery charge is waived. MB discounts for ED are not even remotely comparable to the huge ones at BMW because the sole form of compensation an MB dealer gets for an ED is a commission from MB. There is no back end money or consumer satisfaction survey money at all. The dealer never buys the car from MB and, instead, is basically serving as an intermediary between you and MB.

For a US delivery, you can get about 8%-8.5% percent off US MSRP plus the greater of factory to dealer cash (right now apparently about $2K) or fleet discount money (about $3500). Accordingly, the best deals are on US delivery cars as you end up about $12K or so under US MSRP if you use the right dealer. A US dealer who is offering only 3.5% off a US delivery is ripping you off.

I know a few dealers who can work such a deal and have for some of our members. If interested, you can always PM. In any event, best of luck on your shopping for this car.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sdg1871

I know a few dealers who can work such a deal and have for some of our members. If interested, you can always PM. In any event, best of luck on your shopping for this car.
PM sent
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 05:10 PM
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If you're buying this car (not leasing) I would be concerned about skipping the driver aid options.

I suspect that in a couple years this equipment will be everyday commonplace. And vehicles missing them will be punished in terms of resale. Again, my opinion, but when I see Subarus and Toyotas hyping mild versions of this technology suite, we've reached the point of no return in terms of market penetration.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ace10
Unsolicited opinion:

If you're buying this car (not leasing) I would be concerned about skipping the driver aid options.

I suspect that in a couple years this equipment will be everyday commonplace. And vehicles missing them will be punished in terms of resale. Again, my opinion, but when I see Subarus and Toyotas hyping mild versions of this technology suite, we've reached the point of no return in terms of market penetration.
You're probably right. I did get the blind spot monitoring/Lane tracking package and the surround cameras with Parktronic. I could not bring myself to get the driver assistance package. I did change my mind and get the panoramic roof as my dealer really thought that is indispensable for resale value
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 08:12 PM
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You're probably right. I did get the blind spot monitoring/Lane tracking package and the surround cameras with Parktronic. I could not bring myself to get the driver assistance package. I did change my mind and get the panoramic roof as my dealer really thought that is indispensable for resale value
I'm also getting Surround View Camera package but nothing else in that category. I don't like hardware/software that brakes for me. I got used to living with ESP but that's about it. I'm buying the car for myself, not the next guy. But that's just me.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ace10
Unsolicited opinion:

If you're buying this car (not leasing) I would be concerned about skipping the driver aid options.

I suspect that in a couple years this equipment will be everyday commonplace. And vehicles missing them will be punished in terms of resale. Again, my opinion, but when I see Subarus and Toyotas hyping mild versions of this technology suite, we've reached the point of no return in terms of market penetration.
so your saying if you lease you expect a lesser level of "safety"?

Honestly these systems are more cumbersome than helpfull to me and i turn them off in all of my cars, so why pay for them if your building a car.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 09:07 PM
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Not to toot my own horn, I've been driving for >15 years and never had all these fancy "drivers aids." Not saying they are useless or just a gimmick, but to each his own.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 09:46 PM
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so your saying if you lease you expect a lesser level of "safety"?

Honestly these systems are more cumbersome than helpfull to me and i turn them off in all of my cars, so why pay for them if your building a car.
No. Obviously that's not what I wrote.

If you lease, the residual is value is determined at contract signing. And the residual percentage is fixed (by term and miles) regardless of installed options.

Same goes for selecting a brown car. Even if you love brown, it's probably a better financial bet to lease it.


From my perspective, these systems provide margins of safety that are priceless in my book.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by neurotichamster
Not to toot my own horn, I've been driving for >15 years and never had all these fancy "drivers aids." Not saying they are useless or just a gimmick, but to each his own.
Congrats. I remember when I had 15 years of driving experience, too. I think that was probably half a million miles ago. The more accidents and close calls one sees and is involved with, the more one appreciates safety and security in a family car.

The sophistication of these systems cannot be appreciated until you drive with them every day.

And to your point, I can't fathom spending $9K on CCB's for a street car, either. They won't stop your car any faster. But to each their own.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ace10
Congrats. I remember when I had 15 years of driving experience, too. I think that was probably half a million miles ago. The more accidents and close calls one sees and is involved with, the more one appreciates safety and security in a family car.

The sophistication of these systems cannot be appreciated until you drive with them every day.

And to your point, I can't fathom spending $9K on CCB's for a street car, either. They won't stop your car any faster. But to each their own.
To me these "drivers aids" are more of a distraction than added safety. Again, to each his own; just like useless CCB on a street car.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by neurotichamster
To me these "drivers aids" are more of a distraction than added safety. Again, to each his own; just like useless CCB on a street car.

My initial comment was one of a financial nature. That's all.

Enjoy your car.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ace10
My initial comment was one of a financial nature. That's all.

Enjoy your car.
Been debating them for weeks...still am to be honest. I know they are pretty much useless for a daily and I have no intention for tracking this car. My purchase is impulsive and based on the overall look for the car. Pretty pathetic
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Originally Posted by neurotichamster
Been debating them for weeks...still am to be honest. I know they are pretty much useless for a daily and I have no intention for tracking this car. My purchase is impulsive and based on the overall look for the car. Pretty pathetic
I wanted the CCB because of the long life and lack of brake dust. And the color of the calipers looks great with Lunar Blue exterior -- must better than the standard red color for the standard brake calipers.

But given that I live where there is a real winter I could not stomach the prospect of break squeaking until the brakes heated up. So I passed on them.

And let's face it. Any car purchase in this price range is not really about practicality. It is about wanting the best.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sdg1871
I wanted the CCB because of the long life and lack of brake dust. And the color of the calipers looks great with Lunar Blue exterior -- must better than the standard red color for the standard brake calipers.

But given that I live where there is a real winter I could not stomach the prospect of break squeaking until the brakes heated up. So I passed on them.

And let's face it. Any car purchase in this price range is not really about practicality. It is about wanting the best.
The "best" for many people would be to take the CCB money and do several levels of AMG Driving Academy.
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Old Nov 4, 2014 | 05:42 AM
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The "best" for many people would be to take the CCB money and do several levels of AMG Driving Academy.
True. I was talking about spending the cash for an E63 S as opposed to a less expensive car.

Well at least the first level of the AMG Driving Academy is free with purchase or lease of an AMG.

I took my CCB money and sprung for a set of triple finished HRE RS101 wheels. Brushed face. Polished spoke windows and lip and gloss silver inner barrel. Very rational LOL.
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True. I was talking about spending the cash for an E63 S as opposed to a less expensive car.

Well at least the first level of the AMG Driving Academy is free with purchase or lease of an AMG.

I took my CCB money and sprung for a set of triple finished HRE RS101 wheels. Brushed face. Polished spoke windows and lip and gloss silver inner barrel. Very rational LOL.
I did AMG Driving Academy in 2004 and 2005. The Limerock CT is my favorite location.
Given that you are in NYC, the HREs are a very rational purchase LOL. But enjoy them anyway.
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Old Nov 4, 2014 | 06:34 AM
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I did AMG Driving Academy in 2004 and 2005. The Limerock CT is my favorite location.
Given that you are in NYC, the HREs are a very rational purchase LOL. But enjoy them anyway.
That's why I bought in a 19 inch size and avoided going to bigger sizes. Will not use as my winter wheels. The stock wheels will be used for winter duty. HREs will be from late April-mid/late November duty.

Can't wait to attend the AMG Driving Academy.
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Originally Posted by neurotichamster
To me these "drivers aids" are more of a distraction than added safety. Again, to each his own; just like useless CCB on a street car.
especially in a spirited driving scenario where your about to hit a hole and the lights go on anticipating your upcoming 'crash' which you already had taken into consideration.
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especially in a spirited driving scenario where your about to hit a hole and the lights go on anticipating your upcoming 'crash' which you already had taken into consideration.
Or approaching a vehicle at high speed on the highway from behind with the intention to quickly change lanes and pass and then have the brakes come full on. Members here have reported that.

It is true that most dealers ordering spec cars are ordering them with the driver assistance package but I have no regrets about not ordering it for mine. But different strokes for different folks. The thing might very well prevent some collisions.
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Or approaching a vehicle at high speed on the highway from behind with the intention to quickly change lanes and pass and then have the brakes come full on. Members here have reported that.
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Good grief.

Why is anyone approaching another vehicle with high speed differential on the highway and changing lanes at the last moment?


Seriously? WTF?
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