http://www.gtspirit.com/2015/01/20/m...illed-in-2016/

Cant wait to see the new drop top S Class! I love this engine, hope it stays for the next gen E63 AMG!!

 

The article is pretty clear that the 5.5L TT will NOT be in the next gen E63; every AMG will have the 4.0L TT.

IMHO that's good and bad; good because the next gen E63 will get even better fuel mileage, but bad because it will likely be a slower car than the current E63 and also the future C63. So much for our E63 being at the top of the heap.

 

"Compared to the outgoing 5.5-litre, the new 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 can produce more power all while returning better fuel economy and reduced emissions"

Let's see it already. So far it produces less power.

 

yeah i think they are saying it can produce more power than it does now. but i dont think it has more potential than the 5.5 did! only time will tell i suppose gentlemen! They will figure something out, no way they will sell a car that is slower than its predecessor!

 

Going faster and having more power are two different things. DCT will make it go faster. Combination with some sort of electric motor(s) will make it go faster. Making the car lighter will make it go faster.

 

i would love to see a combo of electric motors!! that would be a game changer! What i dont want to see is just the 4.0tt!!! and yes DCT would be awesome as well, but we will lose some torque as dct cannot handle the insane amount of tq that AMG usually puts in its engines!

But yes i am on the side of having hybrid car!

 

Yeah, there's no way a 4.0L TT can produce the same power and tq as our 5.5L. *Maybe* they could drop 400 lbs from the car, to keep performance on par. That would really be something. I could certainly see them slowing the car down, and making the GT and C63 the big guns.

 

Blech. I never would have bought our E63 if it were a hybrid, due to all that extra weight plus the cost, complexity, and reliability issues. Just a non-starter for many performance enthusiasts including me.

 

Reliability of these cars is questionable already.... the hybrid tech will only make it worse... what's the amg slogan? "Never own with a warranty" ???

Someone stated before in another thread... look at the Audi RS7 4.0TT .. tuned, it can handily outrun the most tuned E63S on the planet .. and it's capable of low 10 second runs...

 

Next E63 will make same or more power. Just look at Audi 4.0 TT. It's making 700+hp just from a tune. And AMG 4.0 has fully forged internals, so making crazy hp is as simple as turning up the boost. Just look at AMG A45! Only one year and they're already 450 crank hp from tune only (AMG 4.0 is simply two banks of A45 motors)

 

Car magazine tested the same tuned RS7, and only got 11.0 quarter mile. But I don't think they tested on a prepped drag strip. On the street a tuned E63 AWD might be closer to same speed.

 

MB, especially AMG, is known more so than any other automakers for its tq. It just doesn't make logical sense that more tq can be squeezed out of a lower displacement engine. Hybridization is most likely part of the formula for the next model. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if S-class AMG's get to keep the 5.5TT until model change.

 

either way, I got 7 years to decide whether I'll get another AMG E63 or E83 or whatever it's called in 7 years....

 

The 4.0TT V8 is essentially two of the "45" 2.0T I4 motors put together. That I4 is pretty much maxed out at 355hp and 332lb-ft. This means in theory (and even MB/AMG reps all know this as well) that the 4.0TT V8's theoretical max is twice that of the "45" engine. So really it should have 710hp and 664lb-ft. We all know there's much more left "untapped" in the 4.0TT V8 so far. Just wait for more powerful versions to come out such as the AMG GT to see how crazy AMG is willing to take it. But I definitely believe that the 4.0TT V8 can be tuned (aftermarket or direct from factory) to get more power than our outgoing 5.5TT V8 stock. It'll just be a matter of time to see how far they're willing to take it.

 

I don't think they will be able to squeeze more torque out of the 4.0 L TTV8 than the M157.

 

Guess we'll find out in a few years time. The M157 is a monster tuned.

 

I am sure we will.

Yes the M157 has more tuning potential than just about any other motor currently produced.

 

The Tesla P85D is producing an impressive 691 hp with a combination of explosions and electrons... It would be a good alternative to boost the 4.0TT with electricity and still get the sound of an internal combustion engine (as opposed to the golf cart sound of the tesla!).


Give a challenge the AMG engineers and I'm sure they will respond with a solution that will shut us up!

 

you could correct the header and say 5.5TT has NO future

 

hahaha yeah true! ^^^ I'll miss this engine, likely will see it in the S drop top and thats it! Thats a 2016 model isnt it??

 

I fully expect to see AMG powertrains combining TwinTurbo V6 engines or small TT V8 engines paired with hybrid electric engines that will be producing power and torque for in excess of the M157. It's definitely going to happen one day. We will see the trickle down from the 918, P1 and LaFerrari.

 

+1. Exactly. BTW, I saw the engine layout of the RS7 and the way components are located, I don't think a tuned version of that engine will last. Just my opinion.

 

The RS7 is incredibly fast when tuned and can do like low tens in the quarter mile (10.5 with tune and 10.1 with tune and turbo upgrade) essentially the same as a highly tuned 991 Turbo S. No tuned or turbo upgrade E63 S can touch the comparatively modded RS7's times. But aesthestically the RS7 does nothing for me.

 

No explosions in a Tesla P85D. It's pure electric, which is why you get more of a whine than vroom.

 

Right my mistake... Quite ingenious their awd setup!