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Who has a radar detector? Anyone have a hardwired detector or a full detector installed? I am debating having my Passport 9500xi hard wired and mounted (possibly with a Blendmount under the rearview mirror) versus a full custom Passport system install. Opinions? Thoughts? What sort of protection is everyone using?
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I have a 9500Xi. Love it and saved me countless times.

Blendmount won't work on MBs due to the shape of the rear view mirror attachment arm. I just use the suction cup mount. Takes two seconds to remove and mount the unit and do it daily. Would love to see some sort of integrated mount for it though.
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OP I am having the K40 RLi360 installed. Used the K40 for years with great results. There is a company called mid city that can integrate the radar system into the control screen of the vehicle and all you have to do is use the cruise control switch. It also will adapt to the dis tronic plus. If you have that in the vehicle. Since all vehicles that have lane departure warning systems use the same sonar frequency as K band radar. You will find that these systems will go off constantly if you are driving past any newer model audi, Porsche, even some American models. Very annoying and giving off false positives. So this mid city I think reduces that sensitivity and will give you more accurate results.

They do it for the Escort as well. I have always loved the K40 and how easy it is to use. Both systems are great and can't go wrong.
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OP I am having the K40 RLi360 installed. Used the K40 for years with great results. There is a company called mid city that can integrate the radar system into the control screen of the vehicle and all you have to do is use the cruise control switch. It also will adapt to the dis tronic plus. If you have that in the vehicle. Since all vehicles that have lane departure warning systems use the same sonar frequency as K band radar. You will find that these systems will go off constantly if you are driving past any newer model audi, Porsche, even some American models. Very annoying and giving off false positives. So this mid city I think reduces that sensitivity and will give you more accurate results.

They do it for the Escort as well. I have always loved the K40 and how easy it is to use. Both systems are great and can't go wrong.
Sorry to disagree with you but the K40 is junk. Talk to people that know. K40 appears to be popular because installers get huge discounts from the manufacturer.
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Lenin that's great you have an opinion. Have you ever owned one? Have you owned all of them? It's just a preference. It's like people saying AMG cars are junk and M cars are the best. Not accurate just a personal preference. Or Armani suites are horrible and Boss is the best. It's just a preference. They both work incredibly well. I have had K40 in the majorit of 9 cars I have owned in the last 9 years. Never had a ticket and ha saved me in a few instances.

OP its what you like and what works best for you and your budget.
V1 is also great.
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I have had an Escort 9500i for a few years now. I am in the Cali Bay Area. Thing is now here that most cops CHP, etc, use Laser only. A laser "detector" only alarms you that you just got a ticket! Nothing you can do in time. The easy way to defeat laser legally is to just keep your eyes wide open down the freeway for anything at a distance that appears in the middle divide. If you see something and brake before you can make out that its a cop, you will likely be missed. I have only received 1 laser ticket ever and it was years ago before I knew what laser was . I was too reliant on the Ka radar detector.

Also, I you can defeat laser nicely by installing an active jammer inside your front bumper cover. This is illegal. But it is very difficult for a cop to catch. What is he going to do? take apart your car? Last I looked into this, Escort had this jammer for around $400 I think. You then would have to pay an installer somewhere to put it in.

Don't know if this helps but thought I would offer up my 2 cents on the matter. I speed on freeways always and have no tickets btw. I have beaten laser several times by just paying attention. Remember they can't spot you before you spot them and get their beam targeted in time. Line of sight. That simple.
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As far as full installs go, I am a little concerned about having them installed. Many years ago I had a new VW that I had aftermarket fog lights fitted to and the installer hacked at something that gave me electrical fits for years (until I finally sold the car). That burn makes me a little gun shy. Any thoughts or suggestions from those of you who have/have had them? Any troubles?
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I have a 9500Xi. Love it and saved me countless times.

Blendmount won't work on MBs due to the shape of the rear view mirror attachment arm. I just use the suction cup mount. Takes two seconds to remove and mount the unit and do it daily. Would love to see some sort of integrated mount for it though.
Well damn. I really liked the idea of that mount. I have used suction cups for ten years and am finally just fed up with them falling off in the winter.
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I have had an Escort 9500i for a few years now. I am in the Cali Bay Area. Thing is now here that most cops CHP, etc, use Laser only. A laser "detector" only alarms you that you just got a ticket! Nothing you can do in time. The easy way to defeat laser legally is to just keep your eyes wide open down the freeway for anything at a distance that appears in the middle divide. If you see something and brake before you can make out that its a cop, you will likely be missed. I have only received 1 laser ticket ever and it was years ago before I knew what laser was . I was too reliant on the Ka radar detector.

Also, I you can defeat laser nicely by installing an active jammer inside your front bumper cover. This is illegal. But it is very difficult for a cop to catch. What is he going to do? take apart your car? Last I looked into this, Escort had this jammer for around $400 I think. You then would have to pay an installer somewhere to put it in.

Don't know if this helps but thought I would offer up my 2 cents on the matter. I speed on freeways always and have no tickets btw. I have beaten laser several times by just paying attention. Remember they can't spot you before you spot them and get their beam targeted in time. Line of sight. That simple.
The Escort 9500ci (the full install system) has laser shifters. They confuse the laser signal once, during the initial burst, then allow it to tag you a second time. The idea is that you can slow down enough between the first attempt and the second so that you don't get (as large) a ticket. This is thought to be better than illegal laser jammers since a jammer just makes the laser unable to get a read on your car while also making it obvious to the police that you're using a jammer.

I really like the idea of the added protection of the laser shifters but I'm just not sure about doing such a major install.
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Lenin that's great you have an opinion. Have you ever owned one? Have you owned all of them? It's just a preference. It's like people saying AMG cars are junk and M cars are the best. Not accurate just a personal preference. Or Armani suites are horrible and Boss is the best. It's just a preference. They both work incredibly well. I have had K40 in the majorit of 9 cars I have owned in the last 9 years. Never had a ticket and ha saved me in a few instances.

OP its what you like and what works best for you and your budget.
V1 is also great.
I'm not talking about a personal preference here. I'm talking about objective testing by enthusiasts. Visit one of the testing sessions being conducted in your area by the members from www.radarandlaserforum.com and you will understand what I'm talking about.
I agree with you on the V1 and the budget comment. But not on K40.


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I have had an Escort 9500i for a few years now. I am in the Cali Bay Area. Thing is now here that most cops CHP, etc, use Laser only. A laser "detector" only alarms you that you just got a ticket! Nothing you can do in time. The easy way to defeat laser legally is to just keep your eyes wide open down the freeway for anything at a distance that appears in the middle divide. If you see something and brake before you can make out that its a cop, you will likely be missed. I have only received 1 laser ticket ever and it was years ago before I knew what laser was . I was too reliant on the Ka radar detector.

Also, I you can defeat laser nicely by installing an active jammer inside your front bumper cover. This is illegal. But it is very difficult for a cop to catch. What is he going to do? take apart your car? Last I looked into this, Escort had this jammer for around $400 I think. You then would have to pay an installer somewhere to put it in.

Don't know if this helps but thought I would offer up my 2 cents on the matter. I speed on freeways always and have no tickets btw. I have beaten laser several times by just paying attention. Remember they can't spot you before you spot them and get their beam targeted in time. Line of sight. That simple.
Currently there are no US federal laws prohibiting the use of laser jammers but some states have passed their own laws against jamming police laser guns.

Laser Jammers are illegal in the following states:

California
Colorado
Illinois
Minnesota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia

Fortunately they are still legal in NJ.
BTW, laser jammers are not installed inside your front bumper cover. You can install a radar detector this way. But a laser jammer needs a direct view of the laser beam.
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The Escort 9500ci (the full install system) has laser shifters. They confuse the laser signal once, during the initial burst, then allow it to tag you a second time. The idea is that you can slow down enough between the first attempt and the second so that you don't get (as large) a ticket. This is thought to be better than illegal laser jammers since a jammer just makes the laser unable to get a read on your car while also making it obvious to the police that you're using a jammer.

I really like the idea of the added protection of the laser shifters but I'm just not sure about doing such a major install.
Laser shifter is just a name that Escort came up with so that they don't have to use the word jammer. But both work the same way. Currently the Antilaser Priority are considered the best laser defense for guns used in the US. An officer using a laser gun sends a beam at your license plate (or other reflective part). The laser gun then waits a set period of time and send a second laser beam. Using the difference in time that it takes the first beam t bounce back vs. the time it takes the second beam to bounce back, the gun calculates the speed at which you are traveling. Laser shifters/jammers detect the first beam and, without waiting for the second beam, start sending back it's own beam. The beam from the jammer confuses the gun and it can not calculate your speed. The laser jammer then shut off for a configurable period of time (best practice is 4-6 seconds).

I have done the install on my wagon myself. The hardest part was the lasers in the rear (obvious reasons). The front lasers may require cutting through grill mesh, depending on the brand of the lasers you get and the size of the connectors that they use. Since the grill itself is not removable in the facelifted W212, and I did not feel like removing my bumper, the easiest place to install a built in radar detector for me was inside the air intake shroud. All the displays get mounted in the ashtray.
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Nevermind. Answered above.

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I have done the install on my wagon myself. The hardest part was the lasers in the rear (obvious reasons). The front lasers may require cutting through grill mesh, depending on the brand of the lasers you get and the size of the connectors that they use. Since the grill itself is not removable in the facelifted W212, and I did not feel like removing my bumper, the easiest place to install a built in radar detector for me was inside the air intake shroud. All the displays get mounted in the ashtray.
So do you need to cut/splice the vehicle wiring to install these things?
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Lenin is in the know..all correct info he's provided you..and a yes K40 is junk (edit..okay maybe junk is a little sttong..lets say weak instead)..along with cobra, rocky mountain, to name a few

Here's as stealthy as it gets..

3 rear ALP jammers


2 front ALP jammers and BEL STiR+ antenna head behind center lower grill


STiR+ control / alert panel

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Mine is a Passport 9500ci Integrated into The Dash



Front Mounted Laser Shifters. Also have them in the rear.




Integrated into the dash using the Mid City engineering interface




Integrated into the dash using the Mid City engineering interface


I have had great success with the Passport 9500ci. Currently have it in my E63S with the Mid City Engineering Interface which integrates into the dash.
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^^ Very nicely done. Let me ask, what is the cost of the Mid City interface installation?
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Detector with front and rear laser shifters was $5,000 out the door, and worth every penny as quality of work by this shop is always phenomenal. I believe the same package with front shifters only is about $3,500 + tax.

Work was done by Kane of High Fidelity Auto Sport in Newington, CT. http://www.yelp.com/biz/high-fidelit...port-newington

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Originally Posted by equetefue
I have a 9500Xi. Love it and saved me countless times.

Blendmount won't work on MBs due to the shape of the rear view mirror attachment arm. I just use the suction cup mount. Takes two seconds to remove and mount the unit and do it daily. Would love to see some sort of integrated mount for it though.
What about this mount? I see it was used by someone a couple of years ago on an E350. Think this would work?

Amazon.com : PerformancePackage Mirror Mount Radar Detector Bracket - Escort 9500ix, 8500x50, Solo S3, Redline : Car Electronics Amazon.com : PerformancePackage Mirror Mount Radar Detector Bracket - Escort 9500ix, 8500x50, Solo S3, Redline : Car Electronics

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Lenin is in the know..all correct info he's provided you..and a yes K40 is junk (edit..okay maybe junk is a little sttong..lets say weak instead)..along with cobra, rocky mountain, to name a few

Here's as stealthy as it gets..

3 rear ALP jammers


2 front ALP jammers and BEL STiR+ antenna head behind center lower grill


STiR+ control / alert panel
Very nice. Did you end up doing this work yourself?
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Nice. Do you mind provide the full details of your system, the cost and installation. Really like how it looks and am sure it'll jam anything the cops have. Thanks.

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Lenin is in the know..all correct info he's provided you..and a yes K40 is junk (edit..okay maybe junk is a little sttong..lets say weak instead)..along with cobra, rocky mountain, to name a few

Here's as stealthy as it gets..

3 rear ALP jammers


2 front ALP jammers and BEL STiR+ antenna head behind center lower grill


STiR+ control / alert panel
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My E63 S has a hardwired Passport Max 2. Excellent radar detector

My 991 Turbo S has a hidden Belltronics STI-R Plus and AL Priority Laser Jammers with a rear view mirror display. Great package
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Front Mounted Laser Shifters. Also have them in the rear.




Integrated into the dash using the Mid City engineering interface




Integrated into the dash using the Mid City engineering interface


I have had great success with the Passport 9500ci. Currently have it in my E63S with the Mid City Engineering Interface which integrates into the dash.
The 9500 is a great detector and the Mid City a nice clean install but the laser shifters are Laser Interceptor diodes and uneffective against the newer DALA Dragoneye guns..so far..unless they come up with some big time upgrades soon you should be aware...although these guys are not completely across the States yet it's very likely only a matter of time until they are..only the ALP provides 100% defense against any/all laser devices currently in the wild..I believe you could interface the ALP with your 9500 and replace the LI shifters if you're interested


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