Toadster

they seem pretty comparable - given the big difference of one being a sedan vs an SUV

the E63 seems to get way more visibility onsite - what's up with the ML63 crew? just a different genre?

AWD 600+ HP with a tune for either

rediesel

There are more ML63 where I live than E63. I took the E63 in wagon format - cause a 577hp station wagon is totally practical and necessary .

SilveRT8

1000 lbs more weight for the ML makes a ton of difference on power delivery ! (actually half a ton)

gaspam

most of the people that buy ML's arent really tuner types of people... they are people with money that just want the most expensive midsize suv they can get

e63 guys are more tuner minded

plus like others said, ML's are quite a bit heavier so the buyer of that isnt really buying it for street racing lol

Toadster

i don't think E63 buyers are necessarily buying for street racing either

correct me if I'm wrong

gaspam

there are more e63 drivers that take their car to the strip than ML drivers... check dragtimes... that would give you a rough mathematical ratio of e63 drivers that are willing to engage in tuning/ street racing vs ML drivers that are willing..

i counted 50 e63s on drag times vs 3 ml63s so that would give you a ratio of 16.67 to 1....

soooooooo, e63 guys are 16.67 times more likely to get their car for racing/ going fast

so let say guesstimate 25% of e63 guys buy their car for hard/fast driving, then 1/16.67 x 25% = 1.5% of ML63 guys buy theirs for the same reason.... reason why there isnt as much of a ML presence as you originally asked

kinda makes sense... lol

Toadster

i'm kindof thinking I could get E63 AWD capabilities at 2012 pricing with the same motor - just in the ML63

gaspam

just get a 2014 e63... that's what i did and buy far best car i have ever had.... and the only car i have ever had that felt really fast stock (and i had c63 and e55 and neither felt really fast stock)... of course with tune now it really flies..... turbo upgrades coming after xmas

PeterUbers

The few people in my hood that have ml63 or gl63 are women drivers and not saying they can't be as enthusiastic about amg and speed but they just aren't coming on here as much as the guys are to talk shop

Davidkuo0330

I got a S65, GL63 and E63.

S65 is for business, GL63 is for road trips and E63 is a racing ( the bring out the kid in me ). The purpose of my GL63 is that it has more power and luxury than the standard SUV and by no means would I try to race someone in either a sport sedan or SUV. It just wasn't built that way IMO.

Nanook

I luv my Renntech tuned ML63...with 650 hp I get great performance in a quiet luxurious and sporty daily driver that also performs well in winter ...and when I need to really get it on I take the ZR1...would never trade the ML for a car tho

Clk63blkseries

I had 2 ML63's for daily and then went to my 63 Wagon

I loved the ML63's but really love my wagon . Holds as much kids sports gear and race tires as the Ml but kicks butt on the street. Handles and brakes better then any wagon should. Sounds amazing and I get more people loving the car then I can ever imagine.

ML63 AMG

The 800-1000 lb weight penalty is impossible to overcome from a performance stand point. However, it's hard to ignore the utility the ML63 offers too.

amgcl55s

Besides engine how are they comparable...what are you asking?

Toadster

ML63: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 5-door wagon
E63: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 5-door wagon (or sedan)

ML63 and E63:
Power: 550 hp @ 5750 rpm & Torque: 560 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 7-speed automatic with manual shifting mode

ML63 DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 114.8 in
Length: 189.1 in
Width: 84.3 in Height: 70.7 in
Curb weight: 5285 lb

E63 DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 113.2 in
Length: 193.4 in
Width: 76.4 in Height: 59.9 in
Curb weight: 4733 lb

Performance ML63:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.6 sec @ 113 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.88 g

Performance E63:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.7 sec @ 122 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 153 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.97 g

sure they're not "identical" but for a sport UTE - the ML63 is pretty nifty albeit with a 552 pound penalty

Nanook

And then you add a Renntech tune

Toadster

haha yes 700ft-lbs of love

Davidkuo0330

Congrats. Two bad a$$ boys.

Toadster

I wonder weight for weight which would win? i.e. put 552 extra pounds in the E63 and comparably weighted drivers...

obviously the E would win in a slalom due to center of gravity - but that straight line...

PeterUbers

I think the ml63 has a little less power and produces more drag thanks to its SUV shape, also isn't it a 40/60 power split? All these I would think would fare poorly for the ml

Davidkuo0330

By all means, I am not a science guy, but if the same exact car/SUV with the same driver, doesn't the car/SUV with lower deficiency win no matter on cornering and stright away?

Toadster

pretty sure they're the same motor and same power

drag would definitely play in the race..

LOL yes

PeterUbers

not exactly same power output per Benz: 2016 gle63-s

SilveRT8

OK, I'll sit in the back for you !!!!

Toadster

I'm talking 2011-2015 ML63

GLE is a different beast/design - right?