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Telsa Model S P90D

You can't have it all in a Telsa. The new Telsa has a 0-60mph time of 2.6, but it is one ugly ( sorry to those who owns a Telsa ).

http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/2015-tesla-model-s-p90d-ludicrous-upgrade-first-test-review/??eml=1279426&sp_rid=10201993548

What is your feeling about the new Telsa?
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First of all, it is a Tesla, not a Telsa. Second, I think it is an incredible machine notwithstanding that its appearance is not my favourite. I applaud alternative technology cars and the Tesla has outstanding performance. The drawback is the still limited charging infrastructure that is required to support these vehicles. I'm sure that in 10 or 20 years, electric cars will be the standard.
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First of all, it is a Tesla, not a Telsa. Second, I think it is an incredible machine notwithstanding that its appearance is not my favourite. I applaud alternative technology cars and the Tesla has outstanding performance. The drawback is the still limited charging infrastructure that is required to support these vehicles. I'm sure that in 10 or 20 years, electric cars will be the standard.
I like the idea going green, but not the huge center console screen that is distracting and more likely malfunction than most other cars on the road today. Acceleration and speed is awesome, but I would rather have a DeLorean than a Telsa's looks. Just my opion.

My apologies for offending you as a Telsa owner.
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David i can see an electric super sedan in my stable.... In ten years like hpman said and when the recharging network is more conducive to my gasoline-dependent lifestyle

I've never driven the tesla but the p85d is on my list
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I think it's fantastic, very tempting indeed. Elon Musk is to be commended for giving it a red hot go.
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I think Tesla did great on the development of the electric car as a whole, just saying the looks of the exterior is not up to par with my taste, but that is my opion just like BMW M owners most likely think the E63 doesn't compare with their M cars.

Imaging our E63 with the internals of the P90s.
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Very fast cars, not good looking at all for what they cost. I did take it into consideration when I was shopping around for my car I looked at the m5, rs7, and the tesla along with just sports cars which would have been stupid to get such as the z06 and viper.

Tesla just didn't get my attention from looks in any way inside and out did not like it, but the technology is just incredible.
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David i can see an electric super sedan in my stable.... In ten years like hpman said and when the recharging network is more conducive to my gasoline-dependent lifestyle

I've never driven the tesla but the p85d is on my list
I second that Peter. I think it will take less than 5 years once Tesla redefine the looks of the exterior of the P class that is more inline with the super sedan sector today.

I would buy the P90D or even the P85D if all the internals was kept in place with any AMG class or M class looks no matter how much it costs. There are only a hand full of stock cars on the road today that can hit the speeds of the P85D or P90Ds running on alternative fuel.

Also to take into account the lack of aftermarket parts such as body kits, spoilers, suspension kits, performance parts, etc. that is available in daily driven cars such as the E63.
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Very fast cars, not good looking at all for what they cost. I did take it into consideration when I was shopping around for my car I looked at the m5, rs7, and the tesla along with just sports cars which would have been stupid to get such as the z06 and viper.

Tesla just didn't get my attention from looks in any way inside and out did not like it, but the technology is just incredible.
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Originally Posted by Davidkuo0330
I second that Peter. I think it will take less than 5 years once Tesla redefine the looks of the exterior of the P class that is more inline with the super sedan sector today.

I would buy the P90D or even the P85D if all the internals was kept in place with any AMG class or M class looks no matter how much it costs. There are only a hand full of stock cars on the road today that can hit the speeds of the P85D or P90Ds running on alternative fuel.

Also to take into account the lack of aftermarket parts such as body kits, spoilers, suspension kits, performance parts, etc. that is available in daily driven cars such as the E63.
I'm with David on this one in the future if/when they redefine the way the Tesla looks to to be more appealing I can definitely see myself in one.
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$130k for P90D S 762hp 4 door sedan 0-60 2.6 sec faster than ANY mercedes ever made even w/full Turbo upgrades from AMS/Renntech etc no 1 here can touch it.

Equals perf of Bugatti Veyron, Mclaren P1, etc etc.. Million dollar Super Car territory period for 10th the cost... Yes it wont equal the 1/4 mile Trap or ET of said cars but figure this, it currently weighs nearly 5k lbs!!!! Imagine 5+ yrs from now when they find solutions to equal curb weights of Ferrari Laferrari etc that barely beats it 0-60 now @ 2.4 seconds.Tesla @ same curb weight will run circles around it & see 8 sec 1/4 mile ET's

Instant HP/TQ from 0 rpm's w/NO shifts w/ 3k lb curb weight = Game Over....
Here's a 2 yr old video 9.16 1/4 @ 145 mph using lightweight Electric-Miata, the Technology improves vastly every year..

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Originally Posted by Davidkuo0330
My apologies for offending you as a Telsa owner.

I'm neither offended nor a Tesla owner. Apologies if my reply came off as being offended.
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Originally Posted by Thericker
$130k for P90D S 762hp 4 door sedan 0-60 2.6 sec faster than ANY mercedes ever made even w/full Turbo upgrades from AMS/Renntech etc no 1 here can touch it.

Equals perf of Bugatti Veyron, Mclaren P1, etc etc.. Million dollar Super Car territory period for 10th the cost... Yes it wont equal the 1/4 mile Trap or ET of said cars but figure this, it currently weighs nearly 5k lbs!!!! Imagine 5+ yrs from now when they find solutions to equal curb weights of Ferrari Laferrari etc that barely beats it 0-60 now @ 2.4 seconds.Tesla @ same curb weight will run circles around it & see 8 sec 1/4 mile ET's

Instant HP/TQ from 0 rpm's w/NO shifts w/ 3k lb curb weight = Game Over....
Here's a 2 yr old video 9.16 1/4 @ 145 mph using lightweight Electric-Miata, the Technology improves vastly every year..
Electric Powered Miata 9.16 in 1/4 mile - YouTube

Once the cars are designed to look better down the road and they become more popular (maintenance and stuff will cost less) then I will purchase one, until them I will stick to my slow e63s.

I love the v8 sound though.

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Thanks guys for your input. As what my thread suggested. The Tesla 90D is one heck of fast car and it's running on alternative fuel which is helping with the pollution and the ozone layer, but the looks of it just don't hit the spot where a 130k car should be from my stand point.

I have been smoked by million dollar sports car such as the Lamborghini, Ferreri as well as Tesla 85Ds, but sports are are as what they are, sports car. Tesla to me is neither a sports car nor a sport sedan so I'll just category them as other because they are in a league of their own.
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David, I agree:

Amg good looks + tesla power train + $100k price = I am a new tesla owner
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
David, I agree:

Amg good looks + tesla power train + $100k price = I am a new tesla owner
I think more than 95% of E63 owners would jump on that Peter. Maybe even 50% if the price tag was above 150k?
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Originally Posted by Thericker
$130k for P90D S 762hp 4 door sedan 0-60 2.6 sec faster than ANY mercedes ever made even w/full Turbo upgrades from AMS/Renntech etc no 1 here can touch it.

Equals perf of Bugatti Veyron, Mclaren P1, etc etc.. Million dollar Super Car territory period for 10th the cost... Yes it wont equal the 1/4 mile Trap or ET of said cars but figure this, it currently weighs nearly 5k lbs!!!! Imagine 5+ yrs from now when they find solutions to equal curb weights of Ferrari Laferrari etc that barely beats it 0-60 now @ 2.4 seconds.Tesla @ same curb weight will run circles around it & see 8 sec 1/4 mile ET's

Instant HP/TQ from 0 rpm's w/NO shifts w/ 3k lb curb weight = Game Over....
Here's a 2 yr old video 9.16 1/4 @ 145 mph using lightweight Electric-Miata, the Technology improves vastly every year..
Electric Powered Miata 9.16 in 1/4 mile - YouTube
I wouldn't care if the Tesla could do 0-60 in 1 sec and achieve warp speed, I would still prefer the sound of combustion, maybe I am just old fashioned but it just doesn't do anything for me. Who knows maybe my view will change in the future. You have to appreciate the engineering of the Tesla all the same.
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What kind of maintenance do you have to do on a tesla?
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Did you guys see the news over the weekend, latest Tesla software update gives ALL Teslas ability to come to full stop if unovoidable collision is detected. Pretty damn cool!!



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This will help their used car market
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What kind of maintenance do you have to do on a tesla?
I looked closely at a Tesla a couple of years ago. They have an annual prepaid maintenance package that they'll sell you, but you don't actually need to do it to maintain the warranty.

In short- maintenance is real simple as there are no engine or transmission fluids to change, and brakes last 100+ as you virtually never use them.
Of course, tire rotations, brake fluid, cabin filters, and stuff like that remains.
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The experience of driving is a combination of many things. Acceleration and speed are some of the characteristics, but not all. Things from the aural department are just not there for an electric motor unless you want to run engine sound through speakers. Doing that might be fine for other but it's just not for me. For me, driving is more than just about the acceleration.

And BTW, if Audi's e-benzin and e-diesel ever take off and can be produced on a massive scale at a good price soon, technology to power electric car would go dud right away.
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I looked closely at a Tesla a couple of years ago. They have an annual prepaid maintenance package that they'll sell you, but you don't actually need to do it to maintain the warranty.

In short- maintenance is real simple as there are no engine or transmission fluids to change, and brakes last 100+ as you virtually never use them.
Of course, tire rotations, brake fluid, cabin filters, and stuff like that remains.
Interesting
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I looked at Tesla.

I liked everything about it but the interior. To me it looks cheap and "handmade" and not in a good way. Not for this kind of money.

Also, badly designed interior, B pillar starts to wear out almost immediately since the only way not to rub against it when getting in/out of the car is to contort your body like a gymnast. People are putting duct tape on it.





Driving, handling, acceleration - everything is superb. However, the interior kills it, this is the only reason I went with E63. Well, E63 handles a bit better, too but that was not the main reason.

It is the future, no doubt about it.
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I agree on the interior. It wasn't to my liking - and that's what one looks at as they're driving the car. I don't mind the exterior styling, even looks nice from the rear.

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