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Old Dec 21, 2015 | 11:00 PM
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My 2012 Rwd Cls63 dyno'ed 580-590rwp dynojet on a Renntech tune only.
Ran 11.6 at the track with almost bald tires. Very poor 60ft. 1.8/1.9 Just added Rado catless downpipes today. Hopefully going back to the dyno tomorrow and the track this week..
New tires, + Downpipes.. I'll report back results just for data.

Good luck.. Hope you get this solved.
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Old Dec 21, 2015 | 11:08 PM
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so what has to be done to get to 10's ? my buddy ran 10.9 in his CLS 15 with only DP's and tune . E63 is heavier , ok , but still what has to be done ?
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Fairbird
so what has to be done to get to 10's ? my buddy ran 10.9 in his CLS 15 with only DP's and tune . E63 is heavier , ok , but still what has to be done ?
Custom tune, downpipes and mufflers, 93+ octane, perfect launch, lower altitude, cool weather

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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
Custom tune, downpipes and mufflers, 93+ octane, perfect launch
canned tune no chance even with mix of E85 and tune for it ?
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 12:48 AM
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canned tune no chance even with mix of E85 and tune for it ?
Let's just say that you'd be the first
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 05:07 AM
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very expensive car I have a dyno and I do not fool with the dyno with my 55, get a wide band log afr on the street along with timing and act. Once you get that sorted out then strap it down.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pho
im going to go the track in a couple of weeks and ill try this out. When i try to do launch with out launch control it felt weird. When i apply brakes and gassed it seem like it didnt even rev up at all.

Yes i did do the intial break in on the engine

Another thing off topic, when you do a rolling stop and u gas it, does it lag before it accelerates.
As to your last question yes! This is the biggest problem with an otherwise amazing car. I hate it and it can be dangerous
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 08:15 AM
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As to your last question yes! This is the biggest problem with an otherwise amazing car. I hate it and it can be dangerous
Can confirm happens on stock cars. wonder if manually shifting resolves it
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Zod
Can confirm happens on stock cars. wonder if manually shifting resolves it
I don't think anything fixes it. That situation seems to get the transmission completely confused as to what to do. There are many threads on the problem
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 08:34 AM
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canned tune no chance even with mix of E85 and tune for it ?
from what i understand AMS's 10.85 @129 was a canned tuned (dp and exhaust too)

http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-E...lip-26676.html
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 08:45 AM
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Weistec has a valve body and TCU mod that greatly reduces this hesitation. I recently had this done on my AMS tuned car and can report that the throttle response is much improved. Throttle is still not as fast as the BMW DCT, but it's close especially from a stop.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
from what i understand AMS's 10.85 @129 was a canned tuned (dp and exhaust too)

http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-E...lip-26676.html
this is pretty good for stage 2 only car .
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
from what i understand AMS's 10.85 @129 was a canned tuned (dp and exhaust too)

http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-E...lip-26676.html
I don't know why weistec isn't up to par with ams. Shouldve went with my gut and got ams instead of the weistec.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 12:39 PM
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so what the AMS turbo set up runs ? on the website in the video they stating 10.7 , DP's and tune 10.85 7-8 k price different . hmm ..
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 01:09 PM
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I don't know why weistec isn't up to par with ams. Shouldve went with my gut and got ams instead of the weistec.
Honestly I don't think it's your tune, because if you look at their 0 to 60 foot launch it's much better than yours, so if you got your launch the same as theirs you would be pretty close to 11 seconds flat

Other than that you're gaining speed from each of the marks pretty decently and your horsepower this really where it should be considering you're on a Mustang Dyno
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 01:10 PM
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so what the AMS turbo set up runs ? on the website in the video they stating 10.7 , DP's and tune 10.85 7-8 k price different . hmm ..
I believe the track conditions were different for each of those runs, but if you look at the mile-per-hour the AMS turbo alpha 9 package is 6 mph faster than their tune in downpipe alpha 7 package ... That's pretty significant

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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
Honestly I don't think it's your tune, because if you look at their 0 to 60 foot launch it's much better than yours, so if you got your launch the same as theirs you would be pretty close to 11 seconds flat

Other than that you're gaining speed from each of the marks pretty decently and your horsepower this really where it should be considering you're on a Mustang Dyno
I hope thats the case. When I ran pre-tuned (stock s amg) doing the same launch control etc i was hitting 11.6 all day, with the tune its .2 improvement. Im going try again in a couple weeks, this time im going try runs on stock tires and 20" wheels as well. Ams had some 20's when they ran that 10.8 i believe.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by joseyu
Weistec has a valve body and TCU mod that greatly reduces this hesitation. I recently had this done on my AMS tuned car and can report that the throttle response is much improved. Throttle is still not as fast as the BMW DCT, but it's close especially from a stop.
+1. Love the new TCU upgrade. I don't know if the throttle responds is different between AWD and RWD, but with my TCU upgrade. I launch with no lag from a full stop and believe me, I have tested serval times again very fast cars. I don't know if it's my imagination, but my e63 is overall faster after the TCU upgrade. Definitely worth the $.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 01:37 PM
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I'm sorry that you feel that way and don't mean to rub it in, but AMS really transformed my RWD e63 into a rocket and a very confident street sedan against 95% of the street legal cars on the streets.

Really hope you get it sorted out with Weistec.

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I don't know why weistec isn't up to par with ams. Shouldve went with my gut and got ams instead of the weistec.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 01:41 PM
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The Alpha 9 package plus the TCU upgrade, plugs and BMC filters runs very confident with the big boys on pump gas. Took a brand new P85 to the cleaners.

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I believe the track conditions were different for each of those runs, but if you look at the mile-per-hour the AMS turbo time slip 9 package is 6 mph faster than their tune in downpipe alpha 7 package ... That's pretty significant
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 02:32 PM
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+1. Love the new TCU upgrade. I don't know if the throttle responds is different between AWD and RWD, but with my TCU upgrade. I launch with no lag from a full stop and believe me, I have tested serval times again very fast cars. I don't know if it's my imagination, but my e63 is overall faster after the TCU upgrade. Definitely worth the $.
tcu upgrade from ams?
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pho
I hope thats the case. When I ran pre-tuned (stock s amg) doing the same launch control etc i was hitting 11.6 all day, with the tune its .2 improvement. Im going try again in a couple weeks, this time im going try runs on stock tires and 20" wheels as well. Ams had some 20's when they ran that 10.8 i believe.
If you have 19's put them on , more side wall better for drag strip
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Nope. I don't believe AMS even makes a TCU module.

My TCU is from Wesitech.

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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidkuo0330
Nope. I don't believe AMS even makes a TCU module.

My TCU is from Wesitech.
What was the cost or steps on installing this? Or overall cost with parts and labor if you don't mind saying it
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 04:35 PM
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The cost for me is around $1,600 including tax and shipping for the TCU. The installation is as simple as removing the TCU module and send it to Wesitec and once they do what they need to do, it is sent back to you just like ECU upgrade. It cost me only $100 through my dealer friend to do all of this so my total cost was $1,700.

So for car savvy guys, I imange it is pretty simple and straight forward to remove and reinstall the TCU.

I asked my SA manager to take it for a drive before I picked it up to comment what he thought about the TCU responds and he said wow this is how a AMG supposed to shift.

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