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Can someone explain the e63S losing in roll races to rwd E63's? Vids inside

Old Oct 8, 2016 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Amg63-
what I was saying was there are 2 versions of RWD e63 one pp and non pp both respectively at 518/550

for AWD its non pp and pp are now changed to 550/577.
Don't forget there is a RWD S model too which has 577 stock
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Old Oct 8, 2016 | 09:24 PM
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Don't forget there is a RWD S model too which has 577 stock
i thought it was rated 585hp in Europe
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Old Oct 8, 2016 | 09:28 PM
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I can't comment for Europe, mine was supplied at 430kW, which I believe is 577hp.
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Old Oct 10, 2016 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kponti
That's simply model designation and does not address the issue of awd and rwd (title of the thread). Your statement is like asking why the P30 6.2l E63 are being walked by the P30 Biturbo models. They are both P30 why aren't they running the same?
Apples to apples will be same HP different drive trains (rwd vs awd)
it really goes back on the video posted above of the AWD racing the RWD.

Whats clear from the video was that obviously AWD will need more power to keep up with RWD from a roll.

As as for the power increase of S model
making it as fast if not faster from a roll is something yet to be seen so we really don't know.

Then the fact that trap speeds of equally tuned cars are showing roughly both at the same speed, which also is hard to understand unless AWD responds better to tuning for
some unknown reason.
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Old Oct 10, 2016 | 09:47 PM
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Anyone else notice that tuned trap speeds seem to be all over the place lately? From low 120s on up...
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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
Anyone else notice that tuned trap speeds seem to be all over the place lately? From low 120s on up...
on e63 AWD or RWD? Or both?

i haven't noticed it. Some tunes do seem a bit weak only trapping 124 from what I've seen
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Old Oct 13, 2016 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
Anyone else notice that tuned trap speeds seem to be all over the place lately? From low 120s on up...
Hey man, I have a 2012 E63 Eurocharged tune only, I trapped 126 mph with a bad 1.9 60 ft. on 20" Vossens on Michelin Pilot Supersports from an idle, no launch. I'm considering putting my 19" stock wheels back on with Pirelli P-Zero tires to see what happens.
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Old Oct 14, 2016 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pumped e55
Hey man, I have a 2012 E63 Eurocharged tune only, I trapped 126 mph with a bad 1.9 60 ft. on 20" Vossens on Michelin Pilot Supersports from an idle, no launch. I'm considering putting my 19" stock wheels back on with Pirelli P-Zero tires to see what happens.
​​​​​​​what was the e.t? Also did you dyno after the tune?
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Old Oct 16, 2016 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pumped e55
Hey man, I have a 2012 E63 Eurocharged tune only, I trapped 126 mph with a bad 1.9 60 ft. on 20" Vossens on Michelin Pilot Supersports from an idle, no launch. I'm considering putting my 19" stock wheels back on with Pirelli P-Zero tires to see what happens.
the 20" Vossens are for sure slowing you down.

With stock wheels i expect 127-128mph, about the same as all other tuners are making

awd e63 with tune also seem to be on average of 126-128mph traps.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Georgee6086
​​​​​​​what was the e.t? Also did you dyno after the tune?
My e.t. was 11.48 @126mph, I did not do a before and after dyno but Jerry @ Eurocharged surely worked his magic. The car is lots faster, my car has the pp which was pretty strong but no comparison to the ec tune, hope this helps.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Amg63-
the 20" Vossens are for sure slowing you down.

With stock wheels i expect 127-128mph, about the same as all other tuners are making

awd e63 with tune also seem to be on average of 126-128mph traps.
I do plan on putting my factory wheels back on to see where my e.t. and mph will be. I have new Pirelli P-Zeros' mounted on the stock wheels and Michelin Pilot supersports on the vossen 20s'. The Michelins have done very well.
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pumped e55
I do plan on putting my factory wheels back on to see where my e.t. and mph will be. I have new Pirelli P-Zeros' mounted on the stock wheels and Michelin Pilot supersports on the vossen 20s'. The Michelins have done very well.
im guessing since you have AWD the tires wont make
much of a difference as long as they are decent.

I think with with the weight savings and smaller diameter of the stock wheels you can likely pick up another 1-2mph and possibly get your traps up to 127-128mph.

Are you running the more aggressive EC tune that makes over 600awhp or the stage 1 tune?

and any other mods besides only ECU tune?
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Amg63-
im guessing since you have AWD the tires wont make
much of a difference as long as they are decent.

I think with with the weight savings and smaller diameter of the stock wheels you can likely pick up another 1-2mph and possibly get your traps up to 127-128mph.

Are you running the more aggressive EC tune that makes over 600awhp or the stage 1 tune?

and any other mods besides only ECU tune?
My apologies if I didn't advise, it's a 2012 rwd E63, I just have the tune from Jerry and new factory air filters only. I do believe putting the factory wheels back on will yield a higher mph as well, hopefully 127-128 mph. The Vossens/Michelin combo on my car, though 20s are only 2 pounds heavier than the factory wheels. I know about spun weight and rotating mass, I think as you do, 127-128. I went straight from idle when I went 11.4@ 126mph, probably build the rpms' a bit next time.
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Old Oct 19, 2016 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pumped e55
My apologies if I didn't advise, it's a 2012 rwd E63, I just have the tune from Jerry and new factory air filters only. I do believe putting the factory wheels back on will yield a higher mph as well, hopefully 127-128 mph. The Vossens/Michelin combo on my car, though 20s are only 2 pounds heavier than the factory wheels. I know about spun weight and rotating mass, I think as you do, 127-128. I went straight from idle when I went 11.4@ 126mph, probably build the rpms' a bit next time.
That's an impressive et for your 60ft time...congrats!
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Old Oct 20, 2016 | 08:29 AM
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That's an impressive et for your 60ft time...congrats!
I appreciate that, I hope to get my 60 ft. lower to get a better e.t. I really thank Jerry @ ec for working it out. Good guy!!!
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Old Oct 20, 2016 | 05:58 PM
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I'd love to see those times but I'm stuck on 91 octane and a D/A that rarely gets below 2000ft. I'll see what she can do on the 28th...
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Old Oct 20, 2016 | 06:34 PM
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I'd love to see those times but I'm stuck on 91 octane and a D/A that rarely gets below 2000ft. I'll see what she can do on the 28th...
I hope you get good numbers when you go, let me know how you do after you go I have the the 93 tune btw.
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pumped e55
I hope you get good numbers when you go, let me know how you do after you go I have the the 93 tune btw.
thats s pretty good time you got. With brake torque it also might help you do better.

Im also wondering if MB programmed higher torque limits in the TCU for the 4matic e63 vs the RWD versions.

Does snyone one know if torque limits are higher in 4wd vs RWD to protect the AWD drivetrain more?
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