Esp and tire issues
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2015 e63 wagon, tuned B5 S4, 1970 BMW 2002, Toureg(wife's)
Esp and tire issues
Hi everyone. Been a while, but have just been enjoying the wagon with no problems to note, til now. So leaving the grocery store I go to hit the gas and nothing happens. Glance down and my instrument cluster looks like this. First time I've had a Benz in limp mode, and noticed it's not a speed governed systen like Audi. It wouldn't let me go above 1800 rpm, but would build as much speed as you could shifting at 1500 to 1800 rpm in every gear. SA found a defective esp controller and ordered one. However, when the car was up they noticed that the inner tread of both rear wheels were down to cord. Outer and middle looked fine which made it almost impossible for me to notice. These were the stock pirellis, and I had to replace the fronts at 7000 miles, now the backs are cooked thru 11k. But now I can finally put a full set of pss on. Sorry tire pic is hard to see, but it finally rained here yesterday. Side note, with balding rear tires and all esp nannies on, still inadvertently got the wagon sideways this morning on wet streets! Think I'm going to spend the rest of the day looking for empty wet parking lots.
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2015 E63 S
I just (as in today) replaced the stock Pirellis in the front at only 7,500 miles. I knew the tread would not last long, but this greatly exceeded my expectations. The Pirellis in the rear still have life so I left them alone.
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2015 e63 wagon, tuned B5 S4, 1970 BMW 2002, Toureg(wife's)
Yea, Pirelli didn't last nearly as long as I thought. And I hate having unevenly worn sets of tires. Hopefully the michelins wear more evenly
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I have a 2016 sedan 10.2k miles hard driven. Front and rear Perelli are wearing perfectly even... just did my service A. They did a alignment and the rear was off a tad. My thread life is 20% left. Then will do r888's or PSS.
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I played with so many settings on my first E55 and every type of adjustable set-ups from bushings to arms. These cars do not like their negative camber being taken out. If you get the alignment closer to neutral to decrease inner tire wear the car got unpredictable under heavy acceleration.
Btw, I advise everyone that values their life to stay away from the kmac bushings in a car with this much power! Maybe they're better now but I won't chance it!
Btw, I advise everyone that values their life to stay away from the kmac bushings in a car with this much power! Maybe they're better now but I won't chance it!
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Totally normal with the camber on these cars. Checkout your front tires by turning steering wheel all the way in. Front tires wear on the inside edged even worse. Outside of tire looks like you have half of the tire left while inside shows cords.
If it helps I just switched over to Conti Extreme Contact DW's and they perform well, wear well, and are cheaper than the standard stuff like Pirelli and Mich PSS.
If it helps I just switched over to Conti Extreme Contact DW's and they perform well, wear well, and are cheaper than the standard stuff like Pirelli and Mich PSS.
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2014 E63s amg 4matic, 2009 C63, 2006 E55 AMG , 2001.5 AUDI S4 stg 3+ w/meth
I played with so many settings on my first E55 and every type of adjustable set-ups from bushings to arms. These cars do not like their negative camber being taken out. If you get the alignment closer to neutral to decrease inner tire wear the car got unpredictable under heavy acceleration.
Btw, I advise everyone that values their life to stay away from the kmac bushings in a car with this much power! Maybe they're better now but I won't chance it!
Btw, I advise everyone that values their life to stay away from the kmac bushings in a car with this much power! Maybe they're better now but I won't chance it!
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True, my 63 has been the best of the bunch so far. I've put off lowering it a little because I don't want to mess with a good thing...
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I used to hear numbers like 18 to 20 k on a set of tires. I've gone through 6 tires in 11k miles. Daily driving, no track. What are you guys getting out of the pss?
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Totally normal with the camber on these cars. Checkout your front tires by turning steering wheel all the way in. Front tires wear on the inside edged even worse. Outside of tire looks like you have half of the tire left while inside shows cords.
If it helps I just switched over to Conti Extreme Contact DW's and they perform well, wear well, and are cheaper than the standard stuff like Pirelli and Mich PSS.
If it helps I just switched over to Conti Extreme Contact DW's and they perform well, wear well, and are cheaper than the standard stuff like Pirelli and Mich PSS.
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if you drive nice, 18-20K should be doable on these cars... I have about 12K on my conti sportcontact5ps and they are still ok on dry buy getting sketchy in the rain... I drive pretty hard so i think i will only get about 13K out of mine... still a lot better than what i used to get out of tires on my e55/c63
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i drive them all, fast and hard
24000 out of pss so far, driver side front has a little inner cord showing as i posted in one of my previous post...annoying
hoping to keep these few months, interested in those Michelin ps4 that the new e63 is getting but i think sizes wont work
had 18000 on my original p0 for the rear, but those were really worn, fronts fine
hoping to keep these few months, interested in those Michelin ps4 that the new e63 is getting but i think sizes wont work
had 18000 on my original p0 for the rear, but those were really worn, fronts fine
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
All AMG's are set up from the factory to wear inner tire edges. It's likely a combination both neg camber and in-toeing. Keep an eye out for inner edges of all tires.
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