Shout out to Eurocharged and UPD
11-21-2016, 06:15 PM
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Shout out to Eurocharged and UPD
I picked up their package deal (tune, turboback dps, UPD intake spacers/filters) this spring and hadn't really had any time to do any testing until now. If any of the OG 55 guys remember, I used to post dyno, track, and datalog results for every mod, big or small, but I've been trying not to get carried away with this platform and it just wasn't as pressing to me to do so. I did do a pre and post dyno and I'll try to find them so I can post the results but I was a bit disappointed. The shop didn't put the car in dynomode or even turn off the a/c and after I got home and popped the hood both intake tubes were completely sucked into the airbox. I had asked for a safe 91 tune so I wasn't expecting the numbers that 93 tune guys were getting but I still expected more. Either way, I'm not a dyno guy so instead of going back to try to get better numbers I just decided I'd wait for the real test, the drag strip.
Summers here are scorching hot so the drag strip didn't happen until a few weeks ago. Temps were still in the mid 80s and D/A above 3000ft but I was already tired of waiting. I mixed in a little 100 octane to bring octane up to about 94 just to be safe and went for it. These cars are horrible to launch compared to the E55. When I finally started getting consistent launches, the best I could do were mid-high 1.8 60ft times but on average right around 1.90. I guess that's not bad to the average guy for street tires but it's an ego buster for me. The best I could muster was an 11.65 @ 121.8mph. I beat everything in my class that night including a Hellcat and new CTS-V (barely) but I know this car should have had better numbers in tuned form.
So I contacted Jerry at Eurocharged and talked to him about my concerns. He told me he went very conservative on the tune but could easily get me more power. So we discussed his current 93 tune and he assured me I could run it but the ECU will adapt to 91. So for daily driving it will be down on power but safe then when I go to the track I'd need to bring up the octane to get power to what I wanted. So I sent it to him for his magic.
That brings us to last week. Temps were a tad cooler, 79* and D/A was down from 3k+ to 2640ft. Not ideal but every bit helps. I mixed up the octane to 95 and drove to the track. Now I'd love to tell you that I got to test the hell out of this new tune but I can't. I got one run and the track officials kicked me out for running too quick, 11.41 @ 125.2mph. Still launching soft to maximize traction on street tires and an average (for this car) 1.91 60ft time. I would have loved to see what would have happened as the night cooled and the track got warmed and stickier but it wasn't to be. Either way, a big improvement from the previous outing and a time I can live with for our track conditions where DA rarely drops below 2000ft. I think with a little help from DA and a decent launch I can reach high 11.2s on street tires. Maybe even just divorcing my cooling system as the IATs on my 2012 were well into the 150s at the end of the 1/4mile.
Anyways, thanks to the guys at UPD and Eurocharged for the fun!
Summers here are scorching hot so the drag strip didn't happen until a few weeks ago. Temps were still in the mid 80s and D/A above 3000ft but I was already tired of waiting. I mixed in a little 100 octane to bring octane up to about 94 just to be safe and went for it. These cars are horrible to launch compared to the E55. When I finally started getting consistent launches, the best I could do were mid-high 1.8 60ft times but on average right around 1.90. I guess that's not bad to the average guy for street tires but it's an ego buster for me. The best I could muster was an 11.65 @ 121.8mph. I beat everything in my class that night including a Hellcat and new CTS-V (barely) but I know this car should have had better numbers in tuned form.
So I contacted Jerry at Eurocharged and talked to him about my concerns. He told me he went very conservative on the tune but could easily get me more power. So we discussed his current 93 tune and he assured me I could run it but the ECU will adapt to 91. So for daily driving it will be down on power but safe then when I go to the track I'd need to bring up the octane to get power to what I wanted. So I sent it to him for his magic.
That brings us to last week. Temps were a tad cooler, 79* and D/A was down from 3k+ to 2640ft. Not ideal but every bit helps. I mixed up the octane to 95 and drove to the track. Now I'd love to tell you that I got to test the hell out of this new tune but I can't. I got one run and the track officials kicked me out for running too quick, 11.41 @ 125.2mph. Still launching soft to maximize traction on street tires and an average (for this car) 1.91 60ft time. I would have loved to see what would have happened as the night cooled and the track got warmed and stickier but it wasn't to be. Either way, a big improvement from the previous outing and a time I can live with for our track conditions where DA rarely drops below 2000ft. I think with a little help from DA and a decent launch I can reach high 11.2s on street tires. Maybe even just divorcing my cooling system as the IATs on my 2012 were well into the 150s at the end of the 1/4mile.
Anyways, thanks to the guys at UPD and Eurocharged for the fun!
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shardul (11-22-2016)
11-21-2016, 06:49 PM
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Nice gains... so you have a 2012 model? My 2014 just ran 11.4 @ 124mph with a tune only, but it seemed to be heatsoaking like crazy (ambient temps were in the 50s).
11-21-2016, 07:33 PM
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Yep, a 2012. I'd imagine if I was able to get more runs in without enough time in between that heat soak would have become a bigger issue.
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Nice run!!
11-22-2016, 07:22 AM
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All the best Chiro!
Can not tell you the amount of times the above points have been played with, then the owner says ''car just has tune'' and ran these times, all the while they run at one of the best tracks, in the best possible weather, with race fuel, skinny tires up from, drag setup rears, all tools, spare, passenger seats removed.....yes clearly normal street trim....easily replicated anywhere
Bottom line, taking the best tracks and best runs as a norm for any platform is not going to show consistent performance data to compare to, because not everyone is upfront with what they did
- Times are affected by weather, track location, da etc
- Then you have track conditions, prep, tires/air used , suspension setup and so forth
- Lastly if the car is healthy and driver knows how to drive, fuel used, mods, weight reduction etc
Can not tell you the amount of times the above points have been played with, then the owner says ''car just has tune'' and ran these times, all the while they run at one of the best tracks, in the best possible weather, with race fuel, skinny tires up from, drag setup rears, all tools, spare, passenger seats removed.....yes clearly normal street trim....easily replicated anywhere
Bottom line, taking the best tracks and best runs as a norm for any platform is not going to show consistent performance data to compare to, because not everyone is upfront with what they did
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11-22-2016, 10:16 AM
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These cars suck to launch, I have a 14 with AWD so it should be better but best 60' I could do was 1.83. I ran 11.357 @ 125.6. If these cars were able to get the power down at launch, and get the 60' in the 1.6 range, it's a 10 second car. The night I went there was a 2015 GTR there, trapping 121 @ 11.1 in the 1/4, his 60' was 1.6X.
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i heard on another forum that someone figured out how to turn of trq limitation at launch by doing some button pushing trickery... not sure if it actually works as i havent tried it yet but might be worth a try. the member posted the following :
"Hey everyone. I have figured out how to launch my 2016 E63 S without any boost or tq limiting What you have to do is turn off traction control, hold brake, engage race start and as soon as you floor it press and hold down the traction control button and start counting in seconds. When you to 2.5 seconds release the brake and hold on! The traction control fully shuts off at 3 seconds so by the time it starts to move it's making full power. The car will burn all 4 tires"
for me, even if it works, this would only be good for track days as on the street it would be to much of a pain to do this at every stoplight lol... need something more permanent
"Hey everyone. I have figured out how to launch my 2016 E63 S without any boost or tq limiting What you have to do is turn off traction control, hold brake, engage race start and as soon as you floor it press and hold down the traction control button and start counting in seconds. When you to 2.5 seconds release the brake and hold on! The traction control fully shuts off at 3 seconds so by the time it starts to move it's making full power. The car will burn all 4 tires"
for me, even if it works, this would only be good for track days as on the street it would be to much of a pain to do this at every stoplight lol... need something more permanent
11-22-2016, 10:45 AM
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i heard on another forum that someone figured out how to turn of trq limitation at launch by doing some button pushing trickery... not sure if it actually works as i havent tried it yet but might be worth a try. the member posted the following :
"Hey everyone. I have figured out how to launch my 2016 E63 S without any boost or tq limiting What you have to do is turn off traction control, hold brake, engage race start and as soon as you floor it press and hold down the traction control button and start counting in seconds. When you to 2.5 seconds release the brake and hold on! The traction control fully shuts off at 3 seconds so by the time it starts to move it's making full power. The car will burn all 4 tires"
for me, even if it works, this would only be good for track days as on the street it would be to much of a pain to do this at every stoplight lol... need something more permanent
"Hey everyone. I have figured out how to launch my 2016 E63 S without any boost or tq limiting What you have to do is turn off traction control, hold brake, engage race start and as soon as you floor it press and hold down the traction control button and start counting in seconds. When you to 2.5 seconds release the brake and hold on! The traction control fully shuts off at 3 seconds so by the time it starts to move it's making full power. The car will burn all 4 tires"
for me, even if it works, this would only be good for track days as on the street it would be to much of a pain to do this at every stoplight lol... need something more permanent
11-22-2016, 12:14 PM
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i heard on another forum that someone figured out how to turn of trq limitation at launch by doing some button pushing trickery... not sure if it actually works as i havent tried it yet but might be worth a try. the member posted the following :
"Hey everyone. I have figured out how to launch my 2016 E63 S without any boost or tq limiting What you have to do is turn off traction control, hold brake, engage race start and as soon as you floor it press and hold down the traction control button and start counting in seconds. When you to 2.5 seconds release the brake and hold on! The traction control fully shuts off at 3 seconds so by the time it starts to move it's making full power. The car will burn all 4 tires"
for me, even if it works, this would only be good for track days as on the street it would be to much of a pain to do this at every stoplight lol... need something more permanent
"Hey everyone. I have figured out how to launch my 2016 E63 S without any boost or tq limiting What you have to do is turn off traction control, hold brake, engage race start and as soon as you floor it press and hold down the traction control button and start counting in seconds. When you to 2.5 seconds release the brake and hold on! The traction control fully shuts off at 3 seconds so by the time it starts to move it's making full power. The car will burn all 4 tires"
for me, even if it works, this would only be good for track days as on the street it would be to much of a pain to do this at every stoplight lol... need something more permanent
11-22-2016, 12:30 PM
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Somebody on this forum in another thread said that EC told him that they cracked the torque limition. Seeing as the above run was done with the EC tune on it it certainly doesn't seem to be the case, unless they have an updated file now which is stronger?
Quote from member here:
"All I can add is that I got a tune from a certain company and my car shifted just like stock and was pulling timing like crazy.
Then I sent my ecu to eurocharged and it's no longer pulling timing, pulls way harder, and shifts very hard and authoritive.
I emailed eurocharged about the way it shifted, and they advised that they removed all the torque limits. So maybe they cracked it, idk."
Quote from member here:
"All I can add is that I got a tune from a certain company and my car shifted just like stock and was pulling timing like crazy.
Then I sent my ecu to eurocharged and it's no longer pulling timing, pulls way harder, and shifts very hard and authoritive.
I emailed eurocharged about the way it shifted, and they advised that they removed all the torque limits. So maybe they cracked it, idk."
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11-22-2016, 12:32 PM
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These cars suck to launch, I have a 14 with AWD so it should be better but best 60' I could do was 1.83. I ran 11.357 @ 125.6. If these cars were able to get the power down at launch, and get the 60' in the 1.6 range, it's a 10 second car. The night I went there was a 2015 GTR there, trapping 121 @ 11.1 in the 1/4, his 60' was 1.6X.
What tune are you running?
Last edited by Amg63-; 11-22-2016 at 12:59 PM.
