Reading the threads and wondering is M5 a better car?
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couple more options besides APR and UNI , also st1 on race gas is mid 10's car if we talk rs7 , lower models have way more options .
Skinny TTrs 2.5 can be 1000 hp , mine 2.7 V6 was 900+ , S6/S7 700+ based on RS turbos runs pretty good .
More brands , more stuff and cheaper , so all of the above .
Skinny TTrs 2.5 can be 1000 hp , mine 2.7 V6 was 900+ , S6/S7 700+ based on RS turbos runs pretty good .
More brands , more stuff and cheaper , so all of the above .
From perspective of a simpleton like me-who only and only tunes -I feel like RS7 or E63S is best but I read that M5 is even better hence I posted the thread.
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I'd love to mod but tune is what I'd most likely get since that I can get via email as well lol
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Both RS7 vs E63S vs M5 -tuned are 10 sec cars. Very few maybe 1-2 RS7 are in 9 sec territory same with others.
From perspective of a simpleton like me-who only and only tunes -I feel like RS7 or E63S is best but I read that M5 is even better hence I posted the thread.
LoL you guys
is how I wanted to be but then my priorities started changing and lack of track and even a good mechanic anywhere remotely close by changed everything further.
I'd love to mod but tune is what I'd most likely get since that I can get via email as well lol
From perspective of a simpleton like me-who only and only tunes -I feel like RS7 or E63S is best but I read that M5 is even better hence I posted the thread.
LoL you guys
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I'd love to mod but tune is what I'd most likely get since that I can get via email as well lol
E63 took me pull the ecu out , send it to weistec , tcu out , send it to weistec , transmission oil from ECS , 2 weeks car was down waiting on parts , drop in filters and I went 10.9 , when RS7 45 minutes , race gas and 10.7 slip in your pocket with good tires . now if you want race gas in E63 you need one more ECU , flash it , erase it and spend about 2k on that alone . RS 4.0 with down pipes ms109 and slicks will ran 10.3-10.4 , benz with down pipes I doubt will run 10.4 .
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E63s with an aggressive tune and downpipes, air filters ran 10.8@129mph on pump gas, AMS car. Not that hard to get done. Eurocharged,AMS or whichever tuner can do all these mods in one day just leave it in morning and pick it up in evening.
@viren.89 you also need to understand your comparing an m5 which is RWD to e63s/RS7 which are AWD.
Do you want to go fast from a stop or when moving already?
if stoplight speed is what your after I say fairbird is right that RS7 is fastest from a dig, followed by E63s when doing only a tune on these cars and no other mods.
@viren.89 you also need to understand your comparing an m5 which is RWD to e63s/RS7 which are AWD.
Do you want to go fast from a stop or when moving already?
if stoplight speed is what your after I say fairbird is right that RS7 is fastest from a dig, followed by E63s when doing only a tune on these cars and no other mods.
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let's make it simple , on Audizine there is topic with c7 results , go there and just count how many rs cars in deep 10s , I guess 20-30 cars , Benz not even 10 cars .
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I thought it would be somewhat similar in E63 -get a tune and you are in 10s -I guess I was wrong- what's missing ? tires? power delivery ? gearing?
From what I'm reading it feels like for a person like me who won't go any further than a possibly a tune -should stick with RS7 lol
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lol yes I've seen that. People get a tune done go to track and hit 10s lol
I thought it would be somewhat similar in E63 -get a tune and you are in 10s -I guess I was wrong- what's missing ? tires? power delivery ? gearing?
From what I'm reading it feels like for a person like me who won't go any further than a possibly a tune -should stick with RS7 lol
I thought it would be somewhat similar in E63 -get a tune and you are in 10s -I guess I was wrong- what's missing ? tires? power delivery ? gearing?
From what I'm reading it feels like for a person like me who won't go any further than a possibly a tune -should stick with RS7 lol
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in roll racing torque limits are less so even AWD e63 does well and similar to RWD. Also the 4matic System they use has lower drivetrain loss/weight than most AWD system including Quattro
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if you can live with a smaller car, the new 2018 RS3 will be a monster (2.5 TSFI motor that iroz motorsport is already getting 1000hp out of on the TTRS and running 188+ 1/2 mile and in the 9s 1/4)
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they about the same , since I had both , even awd vs awd , the very very similar
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this^ i wanted an RS6 sedan but audi never bothered to get the emissions certifications for north america so it became a eurospec only car and now they only make it in avant
if you can live with a smaller car, the new 2018 RS3 will be a monster (2.5 TSFI motor that iroz motorsport is already getting 1000hp out of on the TTRS and running 188+ 1/2 mile and in the 9s 1/4)
if you can live with a smaller car, the new 2018 RS3 will be a monster (2.5 TSFI motor that iroz motorsport is already getting 1000hp out of on the TTRS and running 188+ 1/2 mile and in the 9s 1/4)
How would you be able to come down to such a small car from the likes of E63?
and I always assumed bigger engines allow safer and lot more modding opportunities -so wouldn't E63 have more potential ? 4 l compared to 2.5 plus it'll have DCT meaning torque restrictions?
Disclaimer- i'm assuming-i'm new to all this.
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RS3 doesn't the interior somewhat look like CLA iterations we have.
How would you be able to come down to such a small car from the likes of E63?
and I always assumed bigger engines allow safer and lot more modding opportunities -so wouldn't E63 have more potential ? 4 l compared to 2.5 plus it'll have DCT meaning torque restrictions?
Disclaimer- i'm assuming-i'm new to all this.
How would you be able to come down to such a small car from the likes of E63?
and I always assumed bigger engines allow safer and lot more modding opportunities -so wouldn't E63 have more potential ? 4 l compared to 2.5 plus it'll have DCT meaning torque restrictions?
Disclaimer- i'm assuming-i'm new to all this.
in terms of DCT, UGR is getting over 1250whp out of them on the r8
and in terms of engine size, the facts are the facts... the 2.5 tsfi is pumping out ~1000hp on iroz xona turbo kits, no e63s/ m5s are doing that yet (aside from vasilys build but that's probably a 6 figure build so not realistic)
and no m5/e63 (including vasily) running anywhere close to iroz 2.5 tsfi TTRS in the 1/2 at 188+ .... closest i have seen is allmotor_rams 950+whp M5 and it ran 170 (weistec W4 ran 165 at same event)
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this^ i wanted an RS6 sedan but audi never bothered to get the emissions certifications for north america so it became a eurospec only car and now they only make it in avant
if you can live with a smaller car, the new 2018 RS3 will be a monster (2.5 TSFI motor that iroz motorsport is already getting 1000hp out of on the TTRS and running 188+ 1/2 mile and in the 9s 1/4)
if you can live with a smaller car, the new 2018 RS3 will be a monster (2.5 TSFI motor that iroz motorsport is already getting 1000hp out of on the TTRS and running 188+ 1/2 mile and in the 9s 1/4)
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Driven several of the super sedans for good milage with ability to play around in them (own modded E63's rwd, own RS7, plenty of time in the 2014+ AWD, F10 M5, CTS-V V3, Panamera Turbo S refresh).
In handling/grip, nothing touched the Panamera Turbo S for me (though it is so damn expensive)... but for everything else the RS7 is world beater, seriously. Go look at what Fairbird was pointing too-10sec times are common and repeatable with easy mods.
With a tune only it blows everything else away, and it is so, so accessible. Turn dial to dynamic mode, brake torque, and everything is a blur. Turn it to comfort, and it is more compliant than non-performance vehicles even. Interior is great, and looks are unique/polarizing (I like the shape myself). The ZF torque convertor transmission is amazing (especially compared to our MCT, the Caddy's auto, and the F10 DCT. PDK is great but a bit different) and the power is there whenever you need it - super usable. That said, I've had the car for half a year and it's needed $10k in warranty repairs and has been in shop for 5 weeks during that time waiting for parts. And worst of all is that Audi is so totally anti-mod when it comes to warranty that you will get flagged and claims denied/fought over for basic stuff (tunes, downpipes, even intakes). When the car is that sensitive/costly to fix, you don't wanna lose warranty so easily and irrationally. Ruins the fun.
But nothing is as fun as a low, wide, loud, high horsepower wagon...so AMG still wins for me
Also, if you don't like the looks of RS7, the S8 and esp the S8 Plus is a damn good replacement. Downpipes and tune and you are well into the 10's with anyone behind the wheel/repeatable at any time... but the look is so close to A8's that I am not a fan myself.
In handling/grip, nothing touched the Panamera Turbo S for me (though it is so damn expensive)... but for everything else the RS7 is world beater, seriously. Go look at what Fairbird was pointing too-10sec times are common and repeatable with easy mods.
With a tune only it blows everything else away, and it is so, so accessible. Turn dial to dynamic mode, brake torque, and everything is a blur. Turn it to comfort, and it is more compliant than non-performance vehicles even. Interior is great, and looks are unique/polarizing (I like the shape myself). The ZF torque convertor transmission is amazing (especially compared to our MCT, the Caddy's auto, and the F10 DCT. PDK is great but a bit different) and the power is there whenever you need it - super usable. That said, I've had the car for half a year and it's needed $10k in warranty repairs and has been in shop for 5 weeks during that time waiting for parts. And worst of all is that Audi is so totally anti-mod when it comes to warranty that you will get flagged and claims denied/fought over for basic stuff (tunes, downpipes, even intakes). When the car is that sensitive/costly to fix, you don't wanna lose warranty so easily and irrationally. Ruins the fun.
But nothing is as fun as a low, wide, loud, high horsepower wagon...so AMG still wins for me
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Ha , definitely more fun and definitely less traction , how are you liking the rear wheel drive , I know your e63 was a beast seen your YouTube vids , I do like rear wheel drive myself , but there something about the confidence of awd I love
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Does an s8 plus really keep up with an RS7?
i never would of thought the s8 can smoke the e63s...
i never would of thought the s8 can smoke the e63s...
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Driven several of the super sedans for good milage with ability to play around in them (own modded E63's rwd, own RS7, plenty of time in the 2014+ AWD, F10 M5, CTS-V V3, Panamera Turbo S refresh).
In handling/grip, nothing touched the Panamera Turbo S for me (though it is so damn expensive)... but foreverything else the RS7 is world beater, seriously. Go look at what Fairbird was pointing too-10sec times are common and repeatable with easy mods.
With a tune only it blows everything else away, and it is so, so accessible. Turn dial to dynamic mode, brake torque, and everything is a blur. Turn it to comfort, and it is more compliant than non-performance vehicles even. Interior is great, and looks are unique/polarizing (I like the shape myself). The ZF torque convertor transmission is amazing (especially compared to our MCT, the Caddy's auto, and the F10 DCT. PDK is great but a bit different) and the power is there whenever you need it - super usable. That said, I've had the car for half a year and it's needed $10k in warranty repairs and has been in shop for 5 weeks during that time waiting for parts. And worst of all is that Audi is so totally anti-mod when it comes to warranty that you will get flagged and claims denied/fought over for basic stuff (tunes, downpipes, even intakes). When the car is that sensitive/costly to fix, you don't wanna lose warranty so easily and irrationally. Ruins the fun.
But nothing is as fun as a low, wide, loud, high horsepower wagon...so AMG still wins for me
Also, if you don't like the looks of RS7, the S8 and esp the S8 Plus is a damn good replacement. Downpipes and tune and you are well into the 10's with anyone behind the wheel/repeatable at any time... but the look is so close to A8's that I am not a fan myself.
In handling/grip, nothing touched the Panamera Turbo S for me (though it is so damn expensive)... but foreverything else the RS7 is world beater, seriously. Go look at what Fairbird was pointing too-10sec times are common and repeatable with easy mods.
With a tune only it blows everything else away, and it is so, so accessible. Turn dial to dynamic mode, brake torque, and everything is a blur. Turn it to comfort, and it is more compliant than non-performance vehicles even. Interior is great, and looks are unique/polarizing (I like the shape myself). The ZF torque convertor transmission is amazing (especially compared to our MCT, the Caddy's auto, and the F10 DCT. PDK is great but a bit different) and the power is there whenever you need it - super usable. That said, I've had the car for half a year and it's needed $10k in warranty repairs and has been in shop for 5 weeks during that time waiting for parts. And worst of all is that Audi is so totally anti-mod when it comes to warranty that you will get flagged and claims denied/fought over for basic stuff (tunes, downpipes, even intakes). When the car is that sensitive/costly to fix, you don't wanna lose warranty so easily and irrationally. Ruins the fun.
But nothing is as fun as a low, wide, loud, high horsepower wagon...so AMG still wins for me
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I just feel like if we're really talking 60-130 times and building low 10 second cars...aren't we talking about the wrong vehicles? Seems like you should get a GTR or something and just roll with that.
For lightly tuned cars, doesn't the dual clutch in the M5 really make up most of the time differences?
For lightly tuned cars, doesn't the dual clutch in the M5 really make up most of the time differences?