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Old Jul 12, 2017 | 02:04 PM
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Obviously it's far more difficult than it should be to mount meth injection post intercooler which is why everyone went the easy route. So far pre intercooler I'm seeing zero benefits so maybe relocating pre turbo might be worth a shot. Honestly it's probably easier to just get a car that responds to modding. :-/
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Old Jul 12, 2017 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
Obviously it's far more difficult than it should be to mount meth injection post intercooler which is why everyone went the easy route. So far pre intercooler I'm seeing zero benefits so maybe relocating pre turbo might be worth a shot. Honestly it's probably easier to just get a car that responds to modding. :-/
What is the watermeth jet you using ? I going to put 2x175cc
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Old Jul 12, 2017 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
Obviously it's far more difficult than it should be to mount meth injection post intercooler which is why everyone went the easy route. So far pre intercooler I'm seeing zero benefits so maybe relocating pre turbo might be worth a shot. Honestly it's probably easier to just get a car that responds to modding. :-/

Are you running 100% meth and have you tuned for it yet? What nozzle sizing you using? I don't think its that hard to mount nozzles after IC. You can drill and tap the IM. I just did this for the vacuum fitting for my BOV install. The IM is made of an FRP type plastic and is fairly thick. Almost 1/4" where I drilled for the vacuum tap. A screw in fitting on either side with some plastic weld on the threads to seal, and then install the nozzle into that. Run a T split to either side from a solenoid, and run a controller that lets you adjust pump volume separate from solenoid activation like the one Torque-Byte. Nothing special really.
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Old Jul 12, 2017 | 05:05 PM
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I'm running 50/50 for cooling purposes and not tuned but I had hoped to see some reduction in IATs resulting in the ecu holding timing/boost better. I was expecting an incremental but measurable bump in performance when this happened but so far have been disappointed. I'm running the middle jets eith AEM's kit.
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Old Jul 12, 2017 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
I'm running 50/50 for cooling purposes and not tuned but I had hoped to see some reduction in IATs resulting in the ecu holding timing/boost better. I was expecting an incremental but measurable bump in performance when this happened but so far have been disappointed. I'm running the middle jets eith AEM's kit.
Honestly it's great for keep things consistent rather than adding power which to me is awesome. Example, after a while you get heat soaked which pulls a lot of timing, once timing is pulled you can lose as much as 15-30 hp, so if you think about it your injection is giving you 15-30 hp but it's giving you what you already had,. Personally I think we will see better gains from pre turbo, it's the turbo that's creating this massive heat so keeping your turbo more efficient will nil the issue in the bud. Granted we aren't gonna see insane temp drops but I think it will give us what we want. We will also see a 1psi jump in boost. Our power will also move slightly up in the rev range do to the nature of pre turbo injection. If you spray 1" from blades you need to use the smallest nozzle possible and you need to use pure meth, water is heavier on your turbo blades. If you start further upstream which I'm going to do you can use 175-300gph with a 80meth 20 water mix . It will atomize before it hits the blades and have that intake pipe frosty.. it should be boost activated so that your turbo has the sam spool speed . I would say have it activate at 8psi and up that way your meth is cooling the turbo when it's working hardest
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Old Jul 13, 2017 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cifdig
Honestly it's great for keep things consistent rather than adding power which to me is awesome. Example, after a while you get heat soaked which pulls a lot of timing, once timing is pulled you can lose as much as 15-30 hp, so if you think about it your injection is giving you 15-30 hp but it's giving you what you already had,. Personally I think we will see better gains from pre turbo, it's the turbo that's creating this massive heat so keeping your turbo more efficient will nil the issue in the bud. Granted we aren't gonna see insane temp drops but I think it will give us what we want. We will also see a 1psi jump in boost. Our power will also move slightly up in the rev range do to the nature of pre turbo injection. If you spray 1" from blades you need to use the smallest nozzle possible and you need to use pure meth, water is heavier on your turbo blades. If you start further upstream which I'm going to do you can use 175-300gph with a 80meth 20 water mix . It will atomize before it hits the blades and have that intake pipe frosty.. it should be boost activated so that your turbo has the sam spool speed . I would say have it activate at 8psi and up that way your meth is cooling the turbo when it's working hardest
How far upstream of the turbos are you talking about?
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Old Jul 13, 2017 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
I'm running 50/50 for cooling purposes and not tuned but I had hoped to see some reduction in IATs resulting in the ecu holding timing/boost better. I was expecting an incremental but measurable bump in performance when this happened but so far have been disappointed. I'm running the middle jets eith AEM's kit.
run the smaller jet! the middle jet from aem are 500cc and i going to put 175cc ...put the smaller one me i lose 50whp with the 500cc jet compare without meth
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Old Jul 14, 2017 | 10:45 AM
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Just put the car on a mustang dyno and calibrate the car(what only few tuner do ) and the car made 560whp 6xxhigh tq mods are eurocharged turbo upgrade/ups intake/rado downpipe without resonator/ams boost cooling kit and watermeth kit doesnot give any power with 175cc jet and boost juice
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Old Jul 14, 2017 | 11:26 AM
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Power seems low for those mods, like way low.
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Old Jul 14, 2017 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Amg63-
Power seems low for those mods, like way low.
Its the same dyno i made 410whp with my gtx28 golf r 2017 so the power of this dyno is perfectly legit... nobody calibrate car on dyno this is why lot of people have big number...
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Old Jul 14, 2017 | 01:18 PM
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Power seems low for those mods, like way low.
its a mustang dyno, not dynojet so those number are in the ~650-700whp range on dynojet.... his numbers look normal for hybrid turbo
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Old Jul 14, 2017 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Mailhot
Just put the car on a mustang dyno and calibrate the car(what only few tuner do ) and the car made 560whp 6xxhigh tq mods are eurocharged turbo upgrade/ups intake/rado downpipe without resonator/ams boost cooling kit and watermeth kit doesnot give any power with 175cc jet and boost juice
That may be right. It's a 2012 I believe it's rated at 520hp minus 20% that's 418 to the wheels. So in order to put down 560hp to the wheels you have to be doing a minimum of 705-710hp to the crank . Granted I would expect more as well for upgraded turbos but that may be a moderate tune that way he puts down great power without the risk of breaking anythibg
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Old Jul 14, 2017 | 02:03 PM
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I aleeady made 600whp 722wtq on a mustang dyno before turbo upgrade but i never see the guy calibrate the car on his dyno im sure of i going on this dyno again a going to make a fake 650whp maybe more

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Old Jul 14, 2017 | 02:28 PM
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This is why I hate dyno talk. Let's hope the car shows performance gains at the track.
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Old Jul 14, 2017 | 04:11 PM
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I aleeady made 600whp 722wtq on a mustang dyno before turbo upgrade but i never see the guy calibrate the car on his dyno im sure of i going on this dyno again a going to make a fake 650whp maybe more
Great numbers!
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Old Jul 16, 2017 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
its a mustang dyno, not dynojet so those number are in the ~650-700whp range on dynojet.... his numbers look normal for hybrid turbo
thanks, what does hybrid turbo mean? Is that a "type" of turbo upgrade?
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Old Jul 16, 2017 | 04:56 PM
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2017-07-16 14:18 On the 1/2 mile today but very very bad 60ft 1-2 spin and the 3 shift and kickdown the 2nd gear ... i going to buy drag radial this week
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Old Jul 17, 2017 | 07:53 AM
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So no matter what we do to these cars, we can't beat anything off the line?
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So no matter what we do to these cars, we can't beat anything off the line?
yeah you can just think of these cars as great for roll racing. 155mph isn't anything special in the half mile though.
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thanks, what does hybrid turbo mean? Is that a "type" of turbo upgrade?
hybrid usually mean not a full internal upgrade, usually just a compressor wheel like the weistec W3
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yeah you can just think of these cars as great for roll racing. 155mph isn't anything special in the half mile though.
yeah 155 is tune only speeds
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Old Jul 17, 2017 | 01:18 PM
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On those tires im going to guess that 4matic will help it get off the line better?

I wouldn't say it can't beat any fast car off the line

Can't wait to see the difference with the DRs on it.

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yeah 155 is tune only speeds
And 2.4 60 ft ... i just buy drag radial so next time i going to made at least 160
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And 2.4 60 ft ... i just buy drag radial so next time i going to made at least 160
Even with drag radials you won't see a 1.60 60ft with this car...
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