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$60-100k for stock car depending new/used, 1/4 mile is 11.6
$20-40k for turbos and pipes and tune and repairs to get back to stock, 1/4 mile now 11.6
sell car for $45-75k
$90k buy demon
new 1/4 mile is 9.6
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Fairbird
hellcat , since 4 door is charger , 55k car , 15 k upgrades , same 9 sec 1/4 mile , 175 1/2 mile
You keep talking about how easy it is to put Hellcats in the 9s but you haven't even done it and there's not a single one on dragtimes. I know it's possible but it's all talk so far...
You keep talking about how easy it is to put Hellcats in the 9s but you haven't even done it and there's not a single one on dragtimes. I know it's possible but it's all talk so far...
I think the moral of the story we keep seeing repeated is, outside of custom GAD, all turbo upgrades on our cars have been disappointing real world results (but great dynos )
well renntech did decent 4 yrs ago trapping 137/138 but et was still mid 10s and too expensive for those results (~20K)
so far I see 3 forum members selling their car after doing turbo upgrade and 1 guy down here in miami sold his weistec W4 upgraded car a few weeks after he did the upgrade lol, doesnt exactly tell a story of satisfied turbo upgrade customers... when i do upgrades i expect it to make me like the car more and want to keep it, not sell it
Which means zero to me but if it helps you avoid admitting your Hellcat hasn't run 9s then by all means
it'll run 9s easy , we both know that lol . And the is not even 9s the point is how HC expirience compare to E experience described above . Let's say E manage to get 5.6 sec 3 times and 2.8 sec to 62 , and 1 time 7.1 at 1/8 before broke lmao . HC done it 35 times each by now and faster by a lot . And didn't brake so far
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Fairbird
it'll run 9s easy , we both know that lol . And the is not even 9s the point is how HC expirience compare to E experience described above . Let's say E manage to get 5.6 sec 3 times and 2.8 sec to 62 , and 1 time 7.1 at 1/8 before broke lmao . HC done it 35 times each by now and faster by a lot . And didn't brake so far
I totally agree with the comparison but until you run 9s you can't claim it. And if it was as easy as you think, there'd be at least one Hellcat listed on dragtimes by now.
I dont see it being a fair assessment to say upgraded turbos are useless. Now regarding the trans and TCU software, I agree thats a hindering point for 1/8 and 1/4 numbers. But for the street, 1/2, and mile racing it definitely is worth it...You just need to do your homework on who is building the turbos, who's tuning, and you expectations.
Also you cant compare a luxury sedan to a hellcat. Sorry not in the same league. But I LOVE the Hellcat, and currently trying to get my buddy to allot me a Demon. That and the Hellcat are just plain fun and exciting cars. Takes the old school muscle car philosophy but in todays age.
I didn't spend that much on all my upgrades as was listed above, I was sitting around 20-24k I believe. If the market demands it and there are solid quality market competitors for parts and tuning, pricing will drop. As Fairbird would know, I believe he was part of the B5 S4 community as well.
I totally agree with the comparison but until you run 9s you can't claim it. And if it was as easy as you think, there'd be at least one Hellcat listed on dragtimes by now.
why the dragtimes is so important? If the result not there it didn't happened ? I know all the guys in 9s by names . The result is proven long time ago .
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Fairbird
why the dragtimes is so important? If the result not there it didn't happened ? I know all the guys in 9s by names . The result is proven long time ago .
It's not important, but it helps illustrate the point. And I don't really care who you know...until you run 9s (and I hope you do some day) it's pretty lame to keep saying your car does it or that it will beat a Demon.
Last edited by chiromikey; May 28, 2017 at 03:20 PM.
It's not important, but it helps illustrate the point. And I don't really care who you know...until you run 9s (and I hope you do some day) it's pretty lame to keep saying your car does it.
6.3/111 it's 9s get over it . HC in general deep in 9s close to touch 8s . In general Benz can only dream about mid 9s
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Fairbird
6.3/111 it's 9s get over it . HC in general deep in 9s close to touch 8s . In general Benz can only dream about mid 9s
Sorry dude, hasn't done it until it's done it. That's like me lying and saying my car runs 10s because I trapped 127mph on a couple of passes. I'll agree the potential is there but until it actually happens it makes you look like an internet douche.
Sorry dude, hasn't done it until it's done it. That's like me lying and saying my car runs 10s because I trapped 127mph on a couple of passes. I'll agree the potential is there but until it actually happens it makes you look like an internet douche.
pff not at all , all I have to do is take it to 1/4 , I will , soon . I'm don't feel like driving 6 hours and get kicked out after first run
I need a cage or wait till end of june for new local track to open , 40 min drive is fine to get kicked out , I haven't decided if I want cage yet . Kids .
I think what people are missing is that we need to be looking into 4, 5, or even 6 (!!!) turbos on the m157.... you are all living in the dark ages with just two...
this is a pic of my m157
Btw I'm trapping 155mph and my 1/4 is 10.6 seconds... boo yah
Last edited by PeterUbers; May 28, 2017 at 08:51 PM.
I'm part of
Audi
porsche
jeep
camaro
hc
bmw
comunities , what does that mean if so ?
The parts price will not go down , the quality will not go up.
I was actually trying to be nice by saying you have perspective on certain platform that was crazy high and no one was going over a "x" amount of power or "times". I wasn't trying to be a dick my man. I am also a part of a few different platforms as well. And mostly all the toys have decent amount of power..
I was actually trying to be nice by saying you have perspective on certain platform that was crazy high and no one was going over a "x" amount of power or "times". I wasn't trying to be a dick my man. I am also a part of a few different platforms as well. And mostly all the toys have decent amount of power..
oh thanks ! I'm not trying either , but the statement is right and it's only right for benz .
I really believe one reason for questionable reliability has been the sources. I think a proper turbo shop offering like those from Pure and VTT will be more reliable options in the long run vs turbos from "tuners" outsourcing to the cheapest they can find to maximize profit. Turbo shops have all the equipment to properly assemble and balance as a matter of course, and have been doing this for years.
Second I think one thing being over looked with turbo builds is the addition of a anti surge/BOV. The OEM boost bleed strategy through cylinder drop out clearly can only cope with so much CFM. Bigger turbos are probably stalling on shifts/ throttle deceleration when the TB closes, putting stress on the shafts and bearings. I'm plumbing in a Turbsmart Raceport to combat this when I start the turbo/trans build next week. Michael the OP has already done this, but it may have been too late for him. Hopefully the next rebuild benefits from this.
^^^ AMS/Excedy.. The rest was rebuilt with OEM parts...They are having trouble adapting the trans. When driving in Manual mode, it shifts like how it should and doest slip. In every other mode is jumps gear too fast and it feels like its slipping. I gets bad in Sport and even worse in Comfort. Seems like the TCU is not letting the trans hols the gear or it cant figure out what to do.
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