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They appear as questionable ROI to me. The volume is large, but the M157 is a charged engine, and so the volume is less impactful than the path/filter restriction. UPD and VRP spacers + hi-flow filters likely solve that problem equally well. Also, the BlackBoost solution depends on the hood as a top lid coming in contact with the rubber seal. This may suggest to strip the hood liner to expose smooth metal surface for good contact. Lastly and subjectively, they do not really look integrated, but rather DIY for a cool $1,200 to boot. My 2 cents.
I personally decided to use VRP spacers + K&N hi-flow filters primarily due to cost and OEM look. I did install 6 standoffs to make flush with the engine covers.
If you are looking to eke out more performance relatively cheaply, see if you can lower IAT by using larger heat exchangers and coolant pump for the low-temp circuit. Much better ROI by cooling down that boosted air even by a few degrees. Ethanol blends is another path. There is a thread by brutus_tx about the ROI of different mods for the W212 platform.
I have Blackboost intakes on my car, my 0-100 kph is quicker for sure than before and my top end is way better.
i will be doing draggy runs tomorrow or so, I'll keep you posted.
However, I think looks and fitment wise, they are 100%
14 E63, 05 E55, 03 Evo 8, 08 F250, 06 R6R, 92 Talon TSI, and instability
Originally Posted by SAMzE63s
I have Blackboost intakes on my car, my 0-100 kph is quicker for sure than before and my top end is way better.
i will be doing draggy runs tomorrow or so, I'll keep you posted.
However, I think looks and fitment wise, they are 100%
Holy crap!! Those are nice!!! Now I kinda want a set
If you're worried about engine dust I feel bad for you.
Thats like not having sex with your girlfriend so she stays tight, tight for the next 3 guys after you.
He said dusting the engine internals, not dust on the external engine bay.
ops, I failed at proper reading lol
But same shiit lol filters are there and they do proper filtering. BMC filters cones vs stock style flat ones are identical. Just a different shape
Had mine in for a month now. Upd as it may be beneficial is not in the same category as the blackboost intake. Tested, and logged . This intake breaths much much better the factory.
14 E63, 05 E55, 03 Evo 8, 08 F250, 06 R6R, 92 Talon TSI, and instability
Originally Posted by SAMzE63s
you wont regret it! Honestly I mainly got it for the looks/turbo noise loool but extra power comes in handy too lol
Pm me how much they cost you, and how you went about getting them if you're willing. I get the sense I'll probably have to sell one of my son's kidneys to get them. Maybe I'm wrong though.
Had mine in for a month now. Upd as it may be beneficial is not in the same category as the blackboost intake. Tested, and logged . This intake breaths much much better the factory.
I'm guessing that to avoid getting hot (from engine bay) air in, the hood is supposed to seal tightly with the rubber pieces. However, yours obviously does not because you have a strut bar on top of it.
Would anyone's do so, given that your hood fits over the strut bar? Or did you do some modification to the hood to allow the strut bar?
What logging results do you have, specific to the intake?
The incoming air from the factory ram air system supersedes the small gaps from the strut bar. The surface area of the filter is massive. Also the factory hood insulation closes those gaps as well. We have wastegate duty cycle logging . Mine went from maxed out in the upper 90% to 80’s I’ll have 5soko throw up the logs for you guys. Also I went from 10.66 to 10.53 @133 after just these intakes. As the intakes were my last upgrade nothing else changed
Here is a Before and After datalogs, just from the intakes alone on Efrains car.
At his power level, you can see his wastegate was maxing out at the top end, WELL before redline, meaning the wastegates was demanding more boost, but it wasnt getting it, usually indicates the turbos running out of breathe and power, or a restriction somewhere.
BEFORE intakes, wastegate maxing out (PSA: in HP tuners 94.9% is MAX for our wastegates, and 5% is fully open)
After the intake, you can see his wastegate dutycycle of course is still high, but it is NOT maxing out, and is a few % lower than before aswell. This extra head room directly correlates to the higher trap speed he saw aswell, as he has now more top end power, and his wastegate isn't maxing out looking for more air.
ops, I failed at proper reading lol
But same shiit lol filters are there and they do proper filtering. BMC filters cones vs stock style flat ones are identical. Just a different shape
The incoming air from the factory ram air system supersedes the small gaps from the strut bar. The surface area of the filter is massive. Also the factory hood insulation closes those gaps as well. We have wastegate duty cycle logging . Mine went from maxed out in the upper 90% to 80’s I’ll have 5soko throw up the logs for you guys. Also I went from 10.66 to 10.53 @133 after just these intakes. As the intakes were my last upgrade nothing else changed
Hi!
Really nice gains. I was first thinking that it couldn't be, but that dataloggin with 5soko was awesome. There are always been so much buzz on after market (with all car brand market) with expensive intake systems and poor gains if any. Is this measurement black boost vs. upd? Or black boost vs. stock?
Nice to see the real world gains on street. What do you think how big is the hp gain in this intake vs. stock intake or vs. ups?
Really nice gains. I was first thinking that it couldn't be, but that dataloggin with 5soko was awesome. There are always been so much buzz on after market (with all car brand market) with expensive intake systems and poor gains if any. Is this measurement black boost vs. upd? Or black boost vs. stock?
Nice to see the real world gains on street. What do you think how big is the hp gain in this intake vs. stock intake or vs. ups?
black boost vs stock with k&n filter oil removed for better flow. I went from 10.6 to 10.5 with just this intake. That’s massive imo
black boost vs stock with k&n filter oil removed for better flow. I went from 10.6 to 10.5 with just this intake. That’s massive imo
That is indeed pretty solid if all else is equal. I assume the launch was similar, but do you also have the DA from the before/after runs? Could you post the slips?
This doesn't necessarily mean the black boost setup is a better performer than the UPD setup, but it at least shows the black boost setup has benefits.
K&n drop in Blackboost intake. I must add my tune is aggressive and my wastegate was maxed out so my gains may be more then the next. But gains you will see regardless
07-31-2020, 06:42 PM
I was first thinking that it couldn't be, but that dataloggin with 5soko was awesome. There are always been so much buzz on after market (with all car brand market) with expensive intake systems and poor gains if any. Is this measurement black boost vs. upd? Or black boost vs. stock?
