Looking for aftermarket/billet rwd e63 m157 engine mounts
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Looking for aftermarket/billet rwd e63 m157 engine mounts
I cannot find a good aftermarket engine mount since East Coast Euro no longer carries them. Does anyone have an alternate option? I am only finding oe/equivalent in searches. I want to replace mine proactively when I do the downpipes.
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2013 E63 P30, 2010 GL550
This is true. ECE deals with other projects and has no plans to revisit the W212 engine mounts in the foreseeable future. The main obstacles appear to be a small size of market (long payback for a minimum batch) and substantial time needed to coordinate manufacturing. Other projects in the pipeline leave no time for niche items. This is exacerbated by differences in the pre-facelift (RWD) mounts vs. facelift (AWD) mounts. These mounts are essentially 2 different products needing different housings and pivots; the poly inserts are interchangeable. I know of 2 other organizations who sell billet Mercedes-AMG engine mounts - VRP and Speedriven - but none of them appears to offer the W212 part.
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From: Troppo Antipodean
The box isn't big enough to list all of them.
I wonder if the RWD mounts are able to be "refilled" with poly instead of the oil filled vulcanized rubber. i.e. if the mount is not a complete throw-away item and it can be stripped of the hydrolastic component and the metal parts re-used with a urethane (cast in place) of about 65-70A ...
I actually have not seen the mount by itself, and I'm thinking there may be a way to re-manufacture an old set.
I actually have not seen the mount by itself, and I'm thinking there may be a way to re-manufacture an old set.
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You may be right, and there is a way to remanufacture. A university or another appropriately-tooled lab can probably fabricate a one-off.
The main question is safety and commercial viability. Safety requires engineering and extensive testing. The viability is a function of worn-out "core" supply, return on investment, market capacity, demand, promotion. Kind of remanufactured shocks, compressors, and pumps, which you can refurbish with fresh seals and bearings without affecting the product design. Here you are talking about modifying a product in major ways. Possible? Yes. Sustainable business? Doubtful.
I think that our best bet is (1) convince entrepreneurial vendors like ECE, VRP, UPD that demand can make their effort worthwhile, (2) continue to use OEM. Mind you, a poly mount is also a wear item. The insert material loses properties over time (breaks down, compresses, loses elasticity). Depending on how it is used and environmental, you may need to refurbish the poly mounts more often than OEM mounts.
The main question is safety and commercial viability. Safety requires engineering and extensive testing. The viability is a function of worn-out "core" supply, return on investment, market capacity, demand, promotion. Kind of remanufactured shocks, compressors, and pumps, which you can refurbish with fresh seals and bearings without affecting the product design. Here you are talking about modifying a product in major ways. Possible? Yes. Sustainable business? Doubtful.
I think that our best bet is (1) convince entrepreneurial vendors like ECE, VRP, UPD that demand can make their effort worthwhile, (2) continue to use OEM. Mind you, a poly mount is also a wear item. The insert material loses properties over time (breaks down, compresses, loses elasticity). Depending on how it is used and environmental, you may need to refurbish the poly mounts more often than OEM mounts.
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From: Troppo Antipodean
The box isn't big enough to list all of them.
When I last spoke to Ahmad, He stated that they have no intention to continue production on the RWD w212 mounts, and offered to keep an eye out for a used set, which he can supply new urethane for.
I am obviously hoping this will happen 'sooner' than later, but it requires someone to give up their mounts...
In the meantime, shelling out for genuine MB mounts is the obvious path, regardless. Firstly I'd need a set to fit and secondly a set to use for investigation.
I am obviously hoping this will happen 'sooner' than later, but it requires someone to give up their mounts...
In the meantime, shelling out for genuine MB mounts is the obvious path, regardless. Firstly I'd need a set to fit and secondly a set to use for investigation.
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I wonder if the RWD mounts are able to be "refilled" with poly instead of the oil filled vulcanized rubber. i.e. if the mount is not a complete throw-away item and it can be stripped of the hydrolastic component and the metal parts re-used with a urethane (cast in place) of about 65-70A ...
I actually have not seen the mount by itself, and I'm thinking there may be a way to re-manufacture an old set.
I actually have not seen the mount by itself, and I'm thinking there may be a way to re-manufacture an old set.
I kind of went this route myself. Took apart my blown mount to see exactly how it worked and where it failed. Then ordered new mounts and used the "window weld Polyurethane" technique. It made the mounts much more solid but not like a one piece billet or solid mount design. Still moves with a lot more force of course but minimal "give. So far after a month my shifts are muuuchhh smoother even with the crappy trans we have but im happy with the out come. I almost made a set of solid urathanne insterts to slide into the facorty mounts to keep mount movement to a very minimum while not going the 100% solid mount route, but once i finished my set I pretty much put it on the back burner lol. LAZY
