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Old Oct 11, 2024 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
Spoke to my specialist shop today, he recommends catless dp with NO tune. According to them, it should pick up around 20whp with no impact to scoring or anything. More for sound purposes. He said a CEL will be present if we can’t use 02 extenders

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Old Oct 11, 2024 | 06:36 PM
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lmfao funny
yeah🙃 guess it was good to hear what we where wondering
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Old Oct 14, 2024 | 10:08 AM
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I have not noticed any drawbacks other than the CEL being on all the time, but that really is no big deal to me. As for power gain or loss, I cannot really tell a difference. It does not feel slower, and if it gained power, it is not all that noticeable.
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Old Oct 14, 2024 | 10:09 AM
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I bought the car with 105k miles and started mods around 115k miles.
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Old Oct 14, 2024 | 01:56 PM
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I bought the car with 105k miles and started mods around 115k miles.
that’s great! I’m planning to purchase the same downpipes you have on Black Friday when they run some sales. Did you have any issues installing? Did you try running o2 extenders to mitigate the CEL issue
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
that’s great! I’m planning to purchase the same downpipes you have on Black Friday when they run some sales. Did you have any issues installing? Did you try running o2 extenders to mitigate the CEL issue
No issues installing! Just make sure you buy a new gasket for the left exhaust pipe where it connects to the resonator. I did not try any O2 spacers as I heard they are very tricky with these cars and do not work.
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 01:09 PM
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People are hit and mostly miss with 02 extenders ... occasionally people will be successful and it'll be a permanent fix or it'll eventually not work and trip the CEL
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rwt14
No issues installing! Just make sure you buy a new gasket for the left exhaust pipe where it connects to the resonator. I did not try any O2 spacers as I heard they are very tricky with these cars and do not work.
awesome and outside the CEL no issues with limp mode?
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
People are hit and mostly miss with 02 extenders ... occasionally people will be successful and it'll be a permanent fix or it'll eventually not work and trip the CEL
yeah that what I have been reading, doesn’t seem like there’s any other issues with doing this “mod” couple tuners said this is a Common mode many don’t speak about to gatekeep lol
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 02:18 PM
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https://www.speedlifemotorsport.com/...r-for-cel-fix/

i heard these work from other threads if anyone has any insight
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
awesome and outside the CEL no issues with limp mode?
Nope! My car has never gone into limp mode for any reason.
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rwt14
No issues installing! Just make sure you buy a new gasket for the left exhaust pipe where it connects to the resonator. I did not try any O2 spacers as I heard they are very tricky with these cars and do not work.
You found this DIY-able without full lift? I’ve been trying to imagine reaching the bolts at turbo/manifold, need to review the @kenneyd video again and decide
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 04:10 PM
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You found this DIY-able without full lift? I’ve been trying to imagine reaching the bolts at turbo/manifold, need to review the @kenneyd video again and decide
there’s some other vids online of people doing it on cls63 on the floor with jacks etc, Defo not as easy but doable. Just ordered the downpipes that where recommended here, will post back!
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaybird123
You found this DIY-able without full lift? I’ve been trying to imagine reaching the bolts at turbo/manifold, need to review the @kenneyd video again and decide
It is definitely doable on ramps/jack stands, but of course it was a breeze with a lift. Surprisingly, it doesn't take much to reach any of the bolts.
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Old Oct 15, 2024 | 07:53 PM
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Different ECU updates and versions for the M157 ECU are more sensitive and less sensitive to 02 sensor and 02 sensor extenders. Then of course, wear and tear and such play a factor.
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Originally Posted by 5soko
Different ECU updates and versions for the M157 ECU are more sensitive and less sensitive to 02 sensor and 02 sensor extenders. Then of course, wear and tear and such play a factor.
yeah makes sense I have the newest update from mb, also I’m not to worried about the CEL as it seems it doesn’t affect reliability if I don’t tune it
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Does anyone have sound clips of catless downpipe res delete and stock muffler?
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Old Oct 16, 2024 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
  1. Yeah I’m starting to think cut outs may just the my only option for the sound aspect and the fact it doesn’t risk reliability is a bonus. I do have fidelity platinum warranty which is a bonus on a stock car but from what I know a modded car will not be covered at all.
I have that same warranty with my tuned m157 and they've never questioned anything. But then again, my dealer and SA don't really care either lol
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I have that same warranty with my tuned m157 and they've never questioned anything. But then again, my dealer and SA don't really care either lol
lucky guy!

in regard to tunes, what do most people run for reliability out of curiosity? Eurocharged Weistec Renntech etc?
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Old Oct 18, 2024 | 09:10 PM
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Eurocharged stage 2 with catted DP Gesi 300cell, I went catless first, couldn't take the smell, its been 8K km since i tuned it, no issue so far
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lucky guy!

in regard to tunes, what do most people run for reliability out of curiosity? Eurocharged Weistec Renntech etc?
there is absolutely no way to know which popular tuner is more/less reliable as tunes are inherently decreasing the reliability of the vehicle and also the car will be driven more aggressively. It's a fools errand to search for this holy grail.

what we know:

-"no tune" is your best option
- a mild tune is second best but introduces known risks to a engine with several Achilles' heels
- stick to popular tuners vs one off brands as there is simply more feedback here and more support from EC, AMS, etc than "my local tuner down the street" usually and more anecdotal and empiric data on the popular tuners on this forum
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
there is absolutely no way to know which popular tuner is more/less reliable as tunes are inherently decreasing the reliability of the vehicle and also the car will be driven more aggressively. It's a fools errand to search for this holy grail.

what we know:

-"no tune" is your best option
- a mild tune is second best but introduces known risks to a engine with several Achilles' heels
- stick to popular tuners vs one off brands as there is simply more feedback here and more support from EC, AMS, etc than "my local tuner down the street" usually and more anecdotal and empiric data on the popular tuners on this forum
yeah I’m with you, not planning to tune was just curious if the m157 tuner platform is similar to the 113k. Over there Eurocharged, race iq, Renntech where the “safest” “best” tunes as they went for mild safe power over full ***** to the walls
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
Does anyone have sound clips of catless downpipe res delete and stock muffler?
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sound super good, thinking to keep this set up or switch to x pipe as some say makes a little more power!
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
sound super good, thinking to keep this set up or switch to x pipe as some say makes a little more power!
Mind sharing by any links to x-pipe seller for our model? I somehow don’t see much other than down pipes or full systems
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