Should I consider the E43 AMG a real AMG?
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An interesting alternative that has just appeared is the Mercedes-AMG GLC63S Coupe.
What's interesting about the GLC63S Coupe is that the interior dimensions are very similar to the E-Class. My sense is this car is going to come in around $90k fully loaded. Also it will likely have Designo options too. The car is lighter ~4000lbs and can do 0-60 in 3.7s. Makes a pretty interesting option.
I was originally looking at the E63, however my wife really wanted an SUV. My issue was I couldn't find an SUV which met both our requirements. I have a feeling the GLC63S Coupe will check the box. One of the interesting things is that the GLC Coupe is 2.5" shorter than the GLC Coupe and 2.5" longer than the GLC SUV. This makes it start to seem a little more like a car.
Plus with a Stage 1 tune you could get this up to 605hp.
What's interesting about the GLC63S Coupe is that the interior dimensions are very similar to the E-Class. My sense is this car is going to come in around $90k fully loaded. Also it will likely have Designo options too. The car is lighter ~4000lbs and can do 0-60 in 3.7s. Makes a pretty interesting option.
I was originally looking at the E63, however my wife really wanted an SUV. My issue was I couldn't find an SUV which met both our requirements. I have a feeling the GLC63S Coupe will check the box. One of the interesting things is that the GLC Coupe is 2.5" shorter than the GLC Coupe and 2.5" longer than the GLC SUV. This makes it start to seem a little more like a car.
Plus with a Stage 1 tune you could get this up to 605hp.
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An interesting alternative that has just appeared is the Mercedes-AMG GLC63S Coupe.
What's interesting about the GLC63S Coupe is that the interior dimensions are very similar to the E-Class. My sense is this car is going to come in around $90k fully loaded. Also it will likely have Designo options too. The car is lighter ~4000lbs and can do 0-60 in 3.7s. Makes a pretty interesting option.
I was originally looking at the E63, however my wife really wanted an SUV. My issue was I couldn't find an SUV which met both our requirements. I have a feeling the GLC63S Coupe will check the box. One of the interesting things is that the GLC Coupe is 2.5" shorter than the GLC Coupe and 2.5" longer than the GLC SUV. This makes it start to seem a little more like a car.
Plus with a Stage 1 tune you could get this up to 605hp.
What's interesting about the GLC63S Coupe is that the interior dimensions are very similar to the E-Class. My sense is this car is going to come in around $90k fully loaded. Also it will likely have Designo options too. The car is lighter ~4000lbs and can do 0-60 in 3.7s. Makes a pretty interesting option.
I was originally looking at the E63, however my wife really wanted an SUV. My issue was I couldn't find an SUV which met both our requirements. I have a feeling the GLC63S Coupe will check the box. One of the interesting things is that the GLC Coupe is 2.5" shorter than the GLC Coupe and 2.5" longer than the GLC SUV. This makes it start to seem a little more like a car.
Plus with a Stage 1 tune you could get this up to 605hp.
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- Upper section of instrument panel and waistlines in Black Nappa-look MB-Tex man-made leather with contrasting topstitching
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- Two-tone Nappa leather in Red Pepper/Black or Platinum White/Black
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- AMG Performance seats for driver and front passenger with more heavily contoured seat shape for enhanced lateral support, with integral head restraints and "AMG" badge in the seat backrests
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Ouch... the lack of E63 upholstery choices is mind blowing
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An interesting alternative that has just appeared is the Mercedes-AMG GLC63S Coupe.
What's interesting about the GLC63S Coupe is that the interior dimensions are very similar to the E-Class. My sense is this car is going to come in around $90k fully loaded. Also it will likely have Designo options too. The car is lighter ~4000lbs and can do 0-60 in 3.7s. Makes a pretty interesting option.
I was originally looking at the E63, however my wife really wanted an SUV. My issue was I couldn't find an SUV which met both our requirements. I have a feeling the GLC63S Coupe will check the box. One of the interesting things is that the GLC Coupe is 2.5" shorter than the GLC Coupe and 2.5" longer than the GLC SUV. This makes it start to seem a little more like a car.
Plus with a Stage 1 tune you could get this up to 605hp.
What's interesting about the GLC63S Coupe is that the interior dimensions are very similar to the E-Class. My sense is this car is going to come in around $90k fully loaded. Also it will likely have Designo options too. The car is lighter ~4000lbs and can do 0-60 in 3.7s. Makes a pretty interesting option.
I was originally looking at the E63, however my wife really wanted an SUV. My issue was I couldn't find an SUV which met both our requirements. I have a feeling the GLC63S Coupe will check the box. One of the interesting things is that the GLC Coupe is 2.5" shorter than the GLC Coupe and 2.5" longer than the GLC SUV. This makes it start to seem a little more like a car.
Plus with a Stage 1 tune you could get this up to 605hp.
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I have 2014 E550 white coupe, black hood emblem luminate lights, etc, resonate delete x pipe, muffler changed inside led change to pink, ecu tunning cost $1900 pumping 550 HP...
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The E43 IS an AMG.
If the E43 was a "fake" AMG then that would mean that AMG had ZERO involvement in the production process of this vehicle and Mercedes just simply threw on some AMG rims, floor mats, a few AMG badges on the seats and then said it's an "AMG". THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The fact is that AMG is HEAVILY involved in the production of this car! From the engine to the transmission to the suspension and software etc.. I have no interest in this car because I already have a 2016 E63 and consider myself an AMG purist. However, to sit here and say the E43 is a fake AMG is simply incorrect, ignorant and NOT TRUE. Is the engine "hand built"? NO! But if people want that then GO BUY THE E63!!! Us purists are the only ones who care about this crap anyway! But the E43 IS an AMG engineered Mercedes, so SUCK IT UP AND QUIT CRYING ABOUT IT.
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I don't consider the E43 a "real" AMG.....
The "AMG" is not the reason I am interested in the car.....
I am just looking for a nice car, with some decent power.....
400hp
I will actually be driving a C63 also.....
So I will have some comparing to do.....
The E series has a terrific interior, and lots of high tech stuff....and I would think a pretty nice 6 cylinder engine.....
I just don't want the 4 cylinder engine, in such a nice car...
And I don't want to spend the kind of $$$ the E63 will be....Although I would love to have it..... just can't spend over 100G on a car at this point....
So we shall see......
Shelly
The "AMG" is not the reason I am interested in the car.....
I am just looking for a nice car, with some decent power.....
400hp
I will actually be driving a C63 also.....
So I will have some comparing to do.....
The E series has a terrific interior, and lots of high tech stuff....and I would think a pretty nice 6 cylinder engine.....
I just don't want the 4 cylinder engine, in such a nice car...
And I don't want to spend the kind of $$$ the E63 will be....Although I would love to have it..... just can't spend over 100G on a car at this point....
So we shall see......
Shelly
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If the E43 was a "fake" AMG then that would mean that AMG had ZERO involvement in the production process of this vehicle and Mercedes just simply threw on some AMG rims, floor mats, a few AMG badges on the seats and then said it's an "AMG". THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The fact is that AMG is HEAVILY involved in the production of this car! From the engine to the transmission to the suspension and software etc.. I have no interest in this car because I already have a 2016 E63 and consider myself an AMG purist. However, to sit here and say the E43 is a fake AMG is simply incorrect, ignorant and NOT TRUE. Is the engine "hand built"? NO! But if people want that then GO BUY THE E63!!! Us purists are the only ones who care about this crap anyway! But the E43 IS an AMG engineered Mercedes, so SUCK IT UP AND QUIT CRYING ABOUT IT.
I'm not crying about anything....
I think one of the big selling points of the "AMG" brand, is the hand built engine.... not a mass produced engine.....
I think, for what you get, the E43 is way overpriced, but that is to be expected, being a Mercedes....
I know you are going to pay more for a Mercedes.....
Especially when you consider my dealer wouldn't deal at all on the car.....
In the end, I ended up with a better car, for less money....
So not crying here....
Shelly
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Geez..... What's your problem ?
I'm not crying about anything....
I think one of the big selling points of the "AMG" brand, is the hand built engine.... not a mass produced engine.....
I think, for what you get, the E43 is way overpriced, but that is to be expected, being a Mercedes....
I know you are going to pay more for a Mercedes.....
Especially when you consider my dealer wouldn't deal at all on the car.....
In the end, I ended up with a better car, for less money....
So not crying here....
Shelly
I'm not crying about anything....
I think one of the big selling points of the "AMG" brand, is the hand built engine.... not a mass produced engine.....
I think, for what you get, the E43 is way overpriced, but that is to be expected, being a Mercedes....
I know you are going to pay more for a Mercedes.....
Especially when you consider my dealer wouldn't deal at all on the car.....
In the end, I ended up with a better car, for less money....
So not crying here....
Shelly
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Geez..... What's your problem ?
I'm not crying about anything....
I think one of the big selling points of the "AMG" brand, is the hand built engine.... not a mass produced engine.....
I think, for what you get, the E43 is way overpriced, but that is to be expected, being a Mercedes....
I know you are going to pay more for a Mercedes.....
Especially when you consider my dealer wouldn't deal at all on the car.....
In the end, I ended up with a better car, for less money....
So not crying here....
Shelly
I'm not crying about anything....
I think one of the big selling points of the "AMG" brand, is the hand built engine.... not a mass produced engine.....
I think, for what you get, the E43 is way overpriced, but that is to be expected, being a Mercedes....
I know you are going to pay more for a Mercedes.....
Especially when you consider my dealer wouldn't deal at all on the car.....
In the end, I ended up with a better car, for less money....
So not crying here....
Shelly
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I'm not crying either. I just would not pay $85k for a V6 car that Mercedes AMG enhanced. I mean turned up the turbos. (Noticed I didnt say fake). So like a lot of others said previously in this post about a better car, I purchased a $84k M550i and will try to get a good look at the E43 another day............in my rear view mirror.
(I got tired of waiting on the E63 and for the money the BMW was a better value if you can call it that)
(I got tired of waiting on the E63 and for the money the BMW was a better value if you can call it that)
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E43 has 98% of the E63 performance .... ?
well, i guess so does a c43, c300, 535i, 325i....
most of the time I'm driving my e63 no different than I would drive anything else ... even a podantic Camry.
its the 2% of the time factor that I love about the 63.
glad the 43 is working out for you
well, i guess so does a c43, c300, 535i, 325i....
most of the time I'm driving my e63 no different than I would drive anything else ... even a podantic Camry.
its the 2% of the time factor that I love about the 63.
glad the 43 is working out for you
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E43 has 98% of the E63 performance .... ?
well, i guess so does a c43, c300, 535i, 325i....
most of the time I'm driving my e63 no different than I would drive anything else ... even a podantic Camry.
its the 2% of the time factor that I love about the 63.
glad the 43 is working out for you
well, i guess so does a c43, c300, 535i, 325i....
most of the time I'm driving my e63 no different than I would drive anything else ... even a podantic Camry.
its the 2% of the time factor that I love about the 63.
glad the 43 is working out for you
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3.3 sec vs 4.2 sec difference at 60 about a sec on the 1/4 mile mile. Thats 98%! It also means that a 63 will cream a 43 100% of the time! So what? A 43 offers performance stats that on the street you dont use 99% of the time! In effect the 63 offers performance levels that less than 20 years ago were F1 level! Silly... Heck on the 43 getting around a semi on a 2 lane road on eco mode hardly raises the pulse. If someone can afford a 63 and it makes him happy, by all means they should go for it. That doesnt change the fact that 99.99999 % of the time they wont use 3/4 of the capacity it offers, its like having nuclear bomb. It got more power than a Hurracan for Criss sakes. Once you go over 400 HP, the limits of acceleration are dictated by traction rather than power! Even with the 43 and its AWD just a little mist will give the traction control some action during full blown acceleration.
the traction on the 63 is impeccable and I have to really work to have it lose traction on dry pavement ... from a launch ... it won't lose traction. Maybe in dyno mode, but I'm not that brace. Teslas p90D have 700+ whp and they are fun as hell to drive and I didn't feel like I lost traction. We should not drive any of these cars aggressively in the wet
the powerband and whp is really the key here, not as much just going over 400hp; but I'm not trying to make a case for the 63 here ... 98% is entirely in the eyes and soul of the driver, and if that 43 pounds your pulses then you're arguably 100% there!
good discussion
Last edited by PeterUbers; 08-07-2017 at 07:37 PM.
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I see the same with Porsche. The only real Porsche are the 911, Cayman, etc. SUV's are not real Porsche but help Porsche with the funding needed on producing 911's. Same thing applies to MB/AMG. Porsche without the SUV's would probably turn into Lotus.
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good point -- doesn't 70% of Porsche revenue come from cayenne and Macon sales?
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As of right now, the E43 smokes the w213 63 in the States, since none have been released from port yet....lol. I feel for the ones waiting for the new E63's and the AMG GTR's, just sitting at port getting flat spots on the tires amongst other things. MB really put a bad taste in repeat buyers with this mess.
I don't care if it is a real or fake AMG, I love my E43, 100% more than my 14' w212 E63s which was, honestly, the worst car I have ever owned. Not that it wasn't fast, but just plain boring, ugly exterior and one of the worst interiors ever. New w213 E63's will be sick, but since I have a Porsche GT3 and a new .2 GT3 on its way, I'll enjoy my 43 for around town duties.
I don't care if it is a real or fake AMG, I love my E43, 100% more than my 14' w212 E63s which was, honestly, the worst car I have ever owned. Not that it wasn't fast, but just plain boring, ugly exterior and one of the worst interiors ever. New w213 E63's will be sick, but since I have a Porsche GT3 and a new .2 GT3 on its way, I'll enjoy my 43 for around town duties.
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The reality is that Porsche was profitable pre-Cayenne thanks to Toyota, from which Porsche learned TPS/Kaizen in the 90's. Porsche didn't need the Cayenne to become profitable; they were just greedy. So no way can Porsche be compared to Lotus - which, despite having the right fundamentals and making impressive products considering the company's tiny size, is a horribly managed company with poor dealer support and even worse marketing/outreach.
In 2016, I believe the Porsche SUVs were 70% in terms of numerical sales. Either way, it'll probably be even higher in 2017 since 718/Carrera YTD sales have gone down the toilet since people hate the turbos.
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The primary concern of any manufacturer is to make money. If it doesn't it folds and disappears. Though it might sound alien to yo'kos like us the sport car market is actually very small and mostly aspirational given that almost no one can buy a "real" sport car like an E63 or something of that ilk. Given these facts all manufacturers have to build cars that real people will buy. Even an E 43 is a very small market car given its price point, given that you can buy 2.5 very nicely equipped and more than adequately powered V6 Honda Accords for the same price. The E 63 would add an additional Accord to that equation making it even much rarer still. Lets face it if MB sells 500 E63's a year worldwide its going to be a stretch that's why it must sell hundreds of thousands of more their more pedestrian and "cushy" models to justify even offering cars of this level.
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The primary concern of any manufacturer is to make money. If it doesn't it folds and disappears. Though it might sound alien to yo'kos like us the sport car market is actually very small and mostly aspirational given that almost no one can buy a "real" sport car like an E63 or something of that ilk. Given these facts all manufacturers have to build cars that real people will buy. Even an E 43 is a very small market car given its price point, given that you can buy 2.5 very nicely equipped and more than adequately powered V6 Honda Accords for the same price. The E 63 would add an additional Accord to that equation making it even much rarer still. Lets face it if MB sells 500 E63's a year worldwide its going to be a stretch that's why it must sell hundreds of thousands of more their more pedestrian and "cushy" models to justify even offering cars of this level.
As I mentioned, Porsche was profitable without the junk SUVs/cars it sells now. Porsche was profitable before they decided to make the Cayenne. So it doesn't make sense at all to argue that Porsche needs the junk SUVs/cars in order to produce its core sportscars.
I have a lot of respect for AMG not least for coming out with cars like the AMG GT, which has a lot of features that Porsche has actually removed from its sportscars as it has watered them down and made them less driver-focused. I just don't want to see AMG going down the same road as Porsche.
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No one is disputing that a company has to make money. The issue being discussed is how much compromise a company (or in AMG's case, a division of a company) is willing to inflict on its core customer base in order just to increase profits.
As I mentioned, Porsche was profitable without the junk SUVs/cars it sells now. Porsche was profitable before they decided to make the Cayenne. So it doesn't make sense at all to argue that Porsche needs the junk SUVs/cars in order to produce its core sportscars.
I have a lot of respect for AMG not least for coming out with cars like the AMG GT, which has a lot of features that Porsche has actually removed from its sportscars as it has watered them down and made them less driver-focused. I just don't want to see AMG going down the same road as Porsche.
As I mentioned, Porsche was profitable without the junk SUVs/cars it sells now. Porsche was profitable before they decided to make the Cayenne. So it doesn't make sense at all to argue that Porsche needs the junk SUVs/cars in order to produce its core sportscars.
I have a lot of respect for AMG not least for coming out with cars like the AMG GT, which has a lot of features that Porsche has actually removed from its sportscars as it has watered them down and made them less driver-focused. I just don't want to see AMG going down the same road as Porsche.
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So what if amg keeps making softer cars and "dilutes" the brand? Who cares. In this open market someone will start catering to the purists ... OR you can continue to buy the purist-amg car like this e63S and realize it was built for a track and not to be a family haiker and grocery getter WITH a cush old school caddy ride
take your pick
take your pick