New E63 is MPG rated worse than outgoing model with a bigger engine!!
12-17-2017, 05:58 AM
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New E63 is MPG rated worse than outgoing model with a bigger engine!!
Not that I have ever cared about mpg but automakers are always trying to shove it down our throat and constantly tell us that’s why they have to down size engines.(and emissions) the old e63 with that glorious m157 5.5L v8, that sounded amazing and was extremly powerful with a large displacement v8 got rated for 16 MPG city and 24 highway. The new one with a 1.5l smaller engine and more boost and Cylinder deactivation and a microphone under the hood that plays the cars sound inside( look it up, the engine is that lousey it doesn’t even sound like an amg) only gets 15 MPG city and 22 highway.😅. I guess that’s the best or nothing for you in 2017!
12-17-2017, 12:00 PM
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Far better than my Jeep or diesel pickup truck.
And while I didn’t bother to do the conversation from km per liter to mpg, I was pleased with the mileage I got while driving the car in Europe.
And while I didn’t bother to do the conversation from km per liter to mpg, I was pleased with the mileage I got while driving the car in Europe.
12-17-2017, 02:59 PM
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well the epa number are there. The point is they got rid of a amazing engine in the name of fuel efficiency and now the mpg is worse. Not to mention the new one is 200 pounds heavier. Also the new one has a 9speed mct, shouldn’t it be even more fuel efficient?
12-17-2017, 03:05 PM
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You are posting this again. Are you trying to figure out if anyone actually cares about gas mileage?
Cylinder de-activation only occurs in Comfort mode between 1000-3250 rpm. This rules it out for my driving
Cylinder de-activation only occurs in Comfort mode between 1000-3250 rpm. This rules it out for my driving
12-17-2017, 03:12 PM
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You are posting this again. Are you trying to figure out if anyone actually cares about gas mileage?
Cylinder de-activation only occurs in Comfort mode between 1000-3250 rpm. This rules it out for my driving
Cylinder de-activation only occurs in Comfort mode between 1000-3250 rpm. This rules it out for my driving
12-17-2017, 03:33 PM
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So I guess that’s the whole point of your posting the non-sense about gas mileage. Not sure what you are reminiscing about but AMG is putting out some great cars these days; certainly their best E-classes yet.
Am looking forward to some new Black Series though, it’s been a while...
Am looking forward to some new Black Series though, it’s been a while...
12-17-2017, 06:04 PM
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So I guess that’s the whole point of your posting the non-sense about gas mileage. Not sure what you are reminiscing about but AMG is putting out some great cars these days; certainly their best E-classes yet.
Am looking forward to some new Black Series though, it’s been a while...
12-17-2017, 07:05 PM
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Yes as stated at the beginning this is it an opinionated post. You can’t tell me the 4 L is better than the old 5.5 L V-8. We’ve already established that it gets worse mpg, it’s heavier, and the engine noises are questionable. Have you ever heard m157 V8 with a muffler delete.? It’s insanely good.
The M177 is an AMG developed engine, just like the M156. Designed to marry some of the NA attributes with a turbo engine. Hot V layout, twin scroll turbos, new engine tech (nano slide coating), better emissions. More power...
M157 is AMG tuned engine based on a Mercedes M278 engine which in turn is based on decades old M273. We have the M278 in our SL. Great engine though but old school.
In the E-Class its also a better package. Better transmission, better AWD, better build car altogether (W213 vs W212). I like the exhaust. Could be louder for me, not for my wife. The acoustic package muffles the sound a bit...
12-17-2017, 07:20 PM
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All we have established is your opinion...
The M177 is an AMG developed engine, just like the M156. Designed to marry some of the NA attributes with a turbo engine. Hot V layout, twin scroll turbos, new engine tech (nano slide coating), better emissions. More power...
M157 is AMG tuned engine based on a Mercedes M278 engine which in turn is based on decades old M273. We have the M278 in our SL. Great engine though but old school.
In the E-Class its also a better package. Better transmission, better AWD, better build car altogether (W213 vs W212). I like the exhaust. Could be louder for me, not for my wife. The acoustic package muffles the sound a bit...
The M177 is an AMG developed engine, just like the M156. Designed to marry some of the NA attributes with a turbo engine. Hot V layout, twin scroll turbos, new engine tech (nano slide coating), better emissions. More power...
M157 is AMG tuned engine based on a Mercedes M278 engine which in turn is based on decades old M273. We have the M278 in our SL. Great engine though but old school.
In the E-Class its also a better package. Better transmission, better AWD, better build car altogether (W213 vs W212). I like the exhaust. Could be louder for me, not for my wife. The acoustic package muffles the sound a bit...
12-17-2017, 07:24 PM
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12-17-2017, 07:49 PM
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I say if you like the E63S - W212 vehicle, buy one or keep the one you have. If you like the new E63S - W213 vehicle, by all means, make the upgrade (if current W212 / W211 owner) or buy a new one. I think they are both great vehicles and depending on your wallet, I think that will determine which is the right choice for you. If you're concern is MPG, than perhaps something else is in order.
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12-17-2017, 08:03 PM
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Until you’ve driven one, I don’t think you’re in a position to be making comparisons between the old and the new in terms of power output, linearity, drivability, etc.
I’m quite happy with the sound, even with the acoustic sound package. If you look at the torque curve of the new motor, the power comes on early and is fairly flat across the rpm range. There’s little if any perceptible lag, and pretty much every reviewer has said this car is a big step up on the outgoing model in terms of power output.
After driving the car across Europe I’m quite pleased with mileage when in touring mode. When driving in aggressive mode, who gives a flip?
Pretty much all the owners here have posted likewise.
If YOU are unhappy with numbers you’re seeing in some paper exercise, go buy an older model and stop bothering people who’ve actually bought a new one and have real world experience and feedback that you don’t want to hear.
I’m quite happy with the sound, even with the acoustic sound package. If you look at the torque curve of the new motor, the power comes on early and is fairly flat across the rpm range. There’s little if any perceptible lag, and pretty much every reviewer has said this car is a big step up on the outgoing model in terms of power output.
After driving the car across Europe I’m quite pleased with mileage when in touring mode. When driving in aggressive mode, who gives a flip?
Pretty much all the owners here have posted likewise.
If YOU are unhappy with numbers you’re seeing in some paper exercise, go buy an older model and stop bothering people who’ve actually bought a new one and have real world experience and feedback that you don’t want to hear.
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12-17-2017, 09:21 PM
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All we have established is your opinion...
The M177 is an AMG developed engine, just like the M156. Designed to marry some of the NA attributes with a turbo engine. Hot V layout, twin scroll turbos, new engine tech (nano slide coating), better emissions. More power...
M157 is AMG tuned engine based on a Mercedes M278 engine which in turn is based on decades old M273. We have the M278 in our SL. Great engine though but old school.
In the E-Class its also a better package. Better transmission, better AWD, better build car altogether (W213 vs W212). I like the exhaust. Could be louder for me, not for my wife. The acoustic package muffles the sound a bit...
The M177 is an AMG developed engine, just like the M156. Designed to marry some of the NA attributes with a turbo engine. Hot V layout, twin scroll turbos, new engine tech (nano slide coating), better emissions. More power...
M157 is AMG tuned engine based on a Mercedes M278 engine which in turn is based on decades old M273. We have the M278 in our SL. Great engine though but old school.
In the E-Class its also a better package. Better transmission, better AWD, better build car altogether (W213 vs W212). I like the exhaust. Could be louder for me, not for my wife. The acoustic package muffles the sound a bit...
12-17-2017, 11:14 PM
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yes the m177 is anouther 4l v8 blah blah like every other car maker out there. Nothing special to it. The m157 was much better because of the angry muscle car sound, the bigger displacement and those insane upshifts! Amg as a whole has gone down the bmw M rabbit hole. They slap an amg badge on just about everything now to the point where it’s meaningless. All these so called AMG models without hand built engines. There going for volume rather than quality. That point is made clearer with motors like the m177 that is boring to say the least and not more fuel efficient
Your explanation makes perfect sense now. Could have just stated that you don't know anything about the the mentioned engines, MCT, the W213 E-Class or AMG for that matter since bigger is just better than smaller
Ohh, and AMG is so much worse than before when they just build less capable cars but they sounded so much "angrier"
12-17-2017, 11:29 PM
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Your explanation makes perfect sense now. Could have just stated that you don't know anything about the the mentioned engines, MCT, the W213 E-Class or AMG for that matter since bigger is just better than smaller
Ohh, and AMG is so much worse than before when they just build less capable cars but they sounded so much "angrier"
Ohh, and AMG is so much worse than before when they just build less capable cars but they sounded so much "angrier"
12-17-2017, 11:33 PM
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I think it sounds great. This new E63 AMG is worthy of a AMG badge, btw, the engine is still hand built. Maybe your confusing this car with the E43 AMG?
12-17-2017, 11:37 PM
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less capable? You’re delusional my friend. They have always built capable cars but they were exclusive and not every Mercedes model had a AMG badge slap to the back of it like the BMWs do. Even the review were’s admit the engine doesn’t sound like older Amgs. It has more of a flat plane crank sound to it
12-17-2017, 11:38 PM
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12-18-2017, 12:23 AM
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Well, the W212 is a fine car but the W213 runs circles around it. It's a better build, faster and more capable car. What exactly is the frame of reference? Have you driven a MY18? Have you raced one? What is the reference to BMW? Or are you just complaining about the E43 and got the models mixed up?
12-18-2017, 12:58 AM
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yes I’m referencing how Mercedes makes cars that are now Amg enhanced and it’s just a Mercedes with a amg sport package. Just like bmw does, with m badges on everything. That cheapens the amg brand and makes it less special u muppet. And yes I have raced bmws with the w212 and it’s very capable. Sounds better too.
Still this has no relevance to the 2018 E63s. It is the quickest AMG to date if I am not mistaken and you would loose a race against it in a W212, straight line or on the track. And from the sounds of it you haven’t driven one or heard one either in the flesh.
Try one out and let me know what you think
