2019 MSRPs
#53
What about ED?
#54
When doing the purchase through the European Delivery program, you sign the paperwork in the US to purchase the car a couple days before your scheduled delivery in Germany. You're buying a new US car at that time, and - I would think - that any duties and tariffs that are currently in effect at that time would apply.
If a new tariff rate is applied after your purchase, it doesn't seem like that would apply when your car gets imported to the US because otherwise that would be a retroactive tariff.
For licensing purposes in the US, the car is treated like a new car. I still had to pay all the California taxes just as if I were doing a regular purchase locally at the dealership.
If a new tariff rate is applied after your purchase, it doesn't seem like that would apply when your car gets imported to the US because otherwise that would be a retroactive tariff.
For licensing purposes in the US, the car is treated like a new car. I still had to pay all the California taxes just as if I were doing a regular purchase locally at the dealership.
#55
When doing the purchase through the European Delivery program, you sign the paperwork in the US to purchase the car a couple days before your scheduled delivery in Germany. You're buying a new US car at that time, and - I would think - that any duties and tariffs that are currently in effect at that time would apply.
If a new tariff rate is applied after your purchase, it doesn't seem like that would apply when your car gets imported to the US because otherwise that would be a retroactive tariff.
If a new tariff rate is applied after your purchase, it doesn't seem like that would apply when your car gets imported to the US because otherwise that would be a retroactive tariff.
#56
Not sure how this works... Seems likely that the tariff would be assessed when the car passes through customs in the US... I guess Mercedes could decide to absorb the extra tariffs if they were imposed between the time you signed the paperwork and the time the car goes through customs.
#57
The other interesting question is what happens to cars that passed customs, but are still sitting at the port waiting for certs or MBUSA release. Will a distinction be made there, or will the price be raised by MBUSA on all cars (which are not yet shipped to the dealer) starting a certain date regardless of whether they passed customs or not.
I agree that there will be a run on pre-tariff cars in dealership inventory, which means that some dealers will most likely mark them up...
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I think the question was about ED cars which are not dealer inventory - what happens if tariffs are increased before the car arrives in the US, but after the buyer signed the paperwork.
The other interesting question is what happens to cars that passed customs, but are still sitting at the port waiting for certs or MBUSA release. Will a distinction be made there, or will the price be raised by MBUSA on all cars (which are not yet shipped to the dealer) starting a certain date regardless of whether they passed customs or not.
I agree that there will be a run on pre-tariff cars in dealership inventory, which means that some dealers will most likely mark them up...
The other interesting question is what happens to cars that passed customs, but are still sitting at the port waiting for certs or MBUSA release. Will a distinction be made there, or will the price be raised by MBUSA on all cars (which are not yet shipped to the dealer) starting a certain date regardless of whether they passed customs or not.
I agree that there will be a run on pre-tariff cars in dealership inventory, which means that some dealers will most likely mark them up...
#59
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I agree: MB, Audi, BMW will not be able to pass along a 20% tariff increase. Might just buy my 2016 E350 at the end of the lease!
#60
Agreed. I have an august build 19 e63s and if for whatever reason they charge an additional 20% there is no way I'm buying. 120k is crazy expensive as is considering how much it will depreciate.
#61
#62
The sadder part is that Mercedes has already said they will just pass the 20% to the consumer because the share of cars they sell to the US compared to the rest of the world is so relatively marginal that they can take the hit in declining US sales due to higher prices.
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I think the figures are to the contrary:
For 2017 total MB sales were 2.289 million;
Sales in China were 584,000
Sales in US were 337,000
Sales in Germany were 303,000
So the US is MB second largest market and we get the most expensive cars. I suspect dollars of sales, vs number of vehicles the US is number one.
See: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/ch...ury-car-sales/
For 2017 total MB sales were 2.289 million;
Sales in China were 584,000
Sales in US were 337,000
Sales in Germany were 303,000
So the US is MB second largest market and we get the most expensive cars. I suspect dollars of sales, vs number of vehicles the US is number one.
See: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/ch...ury-car-sales/
#65
I think the figures are to the contrary:
For 2017 total MB sales were 2.289 million;
Sales in China were 584,000
Sales in US were 337,000
Sales in Germany were 303,000
So the US is MB second largest market and we get the most expensive cars. I suspect dollars of sales, vs number of vehicles the US is number one.
See: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/ch...ury-car-sales/
For 2017 total MB sales were 2.289 million;
Sales in China were 584,000
Sales in US were 337,000
Sales in Germany were 303,000
So the US is MB second largest market and we get the most expensive cars. I suspect dollars of sales, vs number of vehicles the US is number one.
See: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/ch...ury-car-sales/
Let's just hope they never come to fruition. Also, I think the proposed tariff is now 25%.
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I have been to Europe literally hundreds of times and the Mercedes I have seen there, (as well as BMW and Audi) as compared to what we get here, are 'striped down versions". For example, I have seen MB without electric windows, sunroofs, back up cameras and many cheaper models that we do not get. For example it is very rare to see an E class with a V6 and almost never an AMG, most being powered by 4 cylinder gas and/or diesel.
It is my impression that the models we get are loaded with extras and as everyone knows, extras are where manufacturers make their money: the more extras, the higher the price on any given model and hence the greater the profit per model.
So I would think that the US is a huge profit center for MB, but I could be wrong.
It is my impression that the models we get are loaded with extras and as everyone knows, extras are where manufacturers make their money: the more extras, the higher the price on any given model and hence the greater the profit per model.
So I would think that the US is a huge profit center for MB, but I could be wrong.
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Interesting that the number one US car/truck export to Europe is the BMW X3:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...iffs-drop-to-0
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...iffs-drop-to-0
#68
#71
You probably won't get any discount on an ordered car unless you're a member of an organization that has a fleet sales program with Mercedes, especially at the beginning of the model year. But who knows, you might find a generous dealership.
#74
I called 2 dealers. Both were willing to pre-discount an ordered car....significantly. I am not anyone special. This is on a 2019 august build. No reason to pay MSRP.
#75
It depends on location. In some locations, demand far exceeds build slot availability, and dealers have no reason to discount. A well-known example is the Bay Area.