Well the AMG GT 4 Door pricing is Porsche like
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I know our dealer has a pretty good waiting list for the GT 4 door but I doubt that the people will spend S63 coupe money for this. It's too close to a CLS IMO. Maybe a different story if it would be a 800+HP 73 model.
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Price point is key for this mid size car and I just dont even seeing myself spending the gap to get the "cool" looking car.
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I haven't found that to be the case. Simply deduct VAT and you are close unless MBUSA doesn't think they can pull off the price. Here is the example of the E63s Edition 1 as spec'd in the US. Cost as configured was $166,695 Euro. Take off VAT and you'll be at 135,022 Euro.
The US price was virtually the same with US $135,000 (sans $995 delivery). No speculation, just a simple side by side price comparo... This was the same on our prior S-Class and SL configs...
The US price was virtually the same with US $135,000 (sans $995 delivery). No speculation, just a simple side by side price comparo... This was the same on our prior S-Class and SL configs...
If you want to go that way, it's even more pessimistic with the Edition 1 AMG GT 4-door retailing for $185,342.
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Apart from these math exercises, the question will be if the car will be priced in the US to be sold quickly or sitting on lots. I realize that it's clearly targeted at the Panamera crowd but I look at it as a step-up over the M5 comp. performance-wise. And that car is cheap so I am thinking it'll be in the middle...
Just for reference, here is a German ED1 sedan build as close as offered in the US.
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Your numbers are off, so no reason to be pessimistic about it
Apart from these math exercises, the question will be if the car will be priced in the US to be sold quickly or sitting on lots. I realize that it's clearly targeted at the Panamera crowd but I look at it as a step-up over the M5 comp. performance-wise. And that car is cheap so I am thinking it'll be in the middle...
Just for reference, here is a German ED1 sedan build as close as offered in the US.
Apart from these math exercises, the question will be if the car will be priced in the US to be sold quickly or sitting on lots. I realize that it's clearly targeted at the Panamera crowd but I look at it as a step-up over the M5 comp. performance-wise. And that car is cheap so I am thinking it'll be in the middle...
Just for reference, here is a German ED1 sedan build as close as offered in the US.
I don't remember, ever, a new model Porsche rotting on dealer lots like this new one.
Nothing wrong with the car itself, it is fabulous on it's own and even looks decent too, crazy, unrealistic pricing is turning people away.
It's not even the price itself but lack of value at that level.
I don't mind spending some exorbitant price on a car when I think it is worth it but no one likes to be played for a fool.
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The new Panamera has been selling not too badly... In the US, almost 7K units in 2017, and already over 4K units this year. This is very much a high-margin, not high-volume car, but it sells. I agree that it is overpriced, but some people are willing to pay for the badge and exclusivity (and it is an amazing car overall.) By the way, it's strange that it still doesn't offer a head-up display...
The thing that baffles me about the Panamera is that I almost never see it on the road, and I live in one of the top Porsche markets in the country. I rarely see the 911 also, and I know that there are many of them around here - people just don't daily drive them, and keep them as garage queens. However, the Panamera doesn't really make sense as a garage queen or special occasion or track car, so I don't know where they're hiding.
The thing that baffles me about the Panamera is that I almost never see it on the road, and I live in one of the top Porsche markets in the country. I rarely see the 911 also, and I know that there are many of them around here - people just don't daily drive them, and keep them as garage queens. However, the Panamera doesn't really make sense as a garage queen or special occasion or track car, so I don't know where they're hiding.
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The new Panamera has been selling not too badly... In the US, almost 7K units in 2017, and already over 4K units this year. This is very much a high-margin, not high-volume car, but it sells. I agree that it is overpriced, but some people are willing to pay for the badge and exclusivity (and it is an amazing car overall.) By the way, it's strange that it still doesn't offer a head-up display...
The thing that baffles me about the Panamera is that I almost never see it on the road, and I live in one of the top Porsche markets in the country. I rarely see the 911 also, and I know that there are many of them around here - people just don't daily drive them, and keep them as garage queens. However, the Panamera doesn't really make sense as a garage queen or special occasion or track car, so I don't know where they're hiding.
The thing that baffles me about the Panamera is that I almost never see it on the road, and I live in one of the top Porsche markets in the country. I rarely see the 911 also, and I know that there are many of them around here - people just don't daily drive them, and keep them as garage queens. However, the Panamera doesn't really make sense as a garage queen or special occasion or track car, so I don't know where they're hiding.
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I have been noticing quite a few in the Northshore suburbs here. A beautiful white turbo S coming hard behind me on the Edens the other day. It looked great!!
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Yes, PCNA and PFS are subventing those non Turbo's with decent lease programs.... There are still 16's (Turbo's) sitting at a few of my local dealers who took these extra allocations in return for more lucrative product.
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The Panamera 4S does 0-60 in 3.8 sec, and the 1/4 mile in 12.3 sec at 111.3 mph, so I'm not surprised about the lack of interest in the higher models:
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/pors...t-test-review/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/pors...t-test-review/
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The Panamera 4S does 0-60 in 3.8 sec, and the 1/4 mile in 12.3 sec at 111.3 mph, so I'm not surprised about the lack of interest in the higher models:
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/pors...t-test-review/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/pors...t-test-review/
We had driven several of them and the lease numbers looked decent for a Porsche compared to other crazy numbers I have seen.
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In reality, for anyone used to real performance cars like E63/M5/RS7, they truly feel like "slower then molasses", at freeway speeds when trying to quickly accelerate in particular, it's just not there.....
