And the panamera turbos at that price aren't moving very fast. I still see new 2017's on the lot.
Panny turbos are dying right now, the price point is just too high and this was the same issue with the last gen.... its not a 911 GT car or that variant yet average turbo prices are high 160-170's with the hybrid bumping up over 200k easily. Its a rich mans sedan no doubt but the performance and interiors just dont exceed the cost associated with it. I truly hope the GT (AMG) car doesnt follow suit here in the US.
Hard to tell pricing without the options config but euro prices include 20% VAT and you can’t apply conversion rate.
That would put the ED1 $15k-$20k over the E63s ED1.
Pricey but nowhere above the Panamera Turbo
Hard to tell pricing without the options config but euro prices include 20% VAT and you can’t apply conversion rate.
That would put the ED1 $15k-$20k over the E63s ED1.
Pricey but nowhere above the Panamera Turbo
The article says it is priced above an s63 and the AMG-GTR n germany. Also a fully loaded / edition 1ish wagon was €150,000 euro and they are saying €185,342 so VAT or not, that is a 22% premium over the wagon
Quote: The special edition is one of the most expensive Mercedes models money can buy in the company’s domestic market as it’s considerably pricier than the €161,423 Mercedes-AMG S63 Sedan, the €162,316 SL 63, and the €166,659 GT R Coupe. As a matter of fact, even the regular GT 63 S costs more than those three models.
The article says it is priced above an s63 and the AMG-GTR n germany. Also a fully loaded / edition 1ish wagon was €150,000 euro and they are saying €185,342 so VAT or not, that is a 22% premium over the wagon
If that holds true in the US -GTFO
I mention the common items in reference to German pricing. We shall see what the car comes in at. Neither of us know. Pricing and positioning is based on what the MBUSA thinks it can get for the car. Packaging varies by country. We'll see if the US ED1 has CCB's like the E63s or not like the Euro E63s ED1's.
I have seen crazy things like $150k for the S550 Coupe launch edition. I'd take a AMG GTR base model for $157k instead
Yeah, it appears they are looking at the Panamera as their direct competition and are pricing it accordingly. Given the much longer options list in the AMG GT 4-door DOG and that a base AMG GT63S is already more than a base AMG GT-R (which will likely still be true when it comes to the US since the relative pricing takes taxes into account), I'm willing to bet a fully loaded ED1 will be close to, if not over $200k with all the carbon trim, aero packages, executive package, etc.
That sort of pricing won't fly in the US. I've had the opportunity to see this car in person and talk to the product team. At the end of the day it isn't different enough to the E63S to justify the premium.
The Panamera Turbo S is a more sophisticated car. It is an e-hybrid using a similar power train to the Porsche 918 supercar. It also has a very sophisticated DCT gearbox.
The GT63S has the E63S powertrain with it's (by comparison) slower less sophisticated gearbox and ICE only turbo engine. The E63S has an amazing powertrain for a $120,000 car but not for a $200,000 car.
Just built Ed 1 on German site with the options I expect to have in US car.
Came up to 220k Euro, about $256k, since usually our prices equal German (same number, different currency) I think it will exceed $200k threshold easily and that would make the car as overpriced as the Panamera TS.
Making it much more expensive then S63 kills it for me and I will look for something else, M8 or wait for the new Audi, RS7 or new S8.
I love the E63 but making about 20k miles/year on Chicago horrible roads would beat me too much.
The opposite is true.
GT63S base : 167.016.50 Euro
S63 base : 161,423.50 Euro
While I may be erring on the low side, prices in Germany mean nothing for the US pricing apart from a trend. The price will be set by MBUSA to fit the US market conditions...
While I may be erring on the low side, prices in Germany mean nothing for the US pricing apart from a trend. The price will be set by MBUSA to fit the US market conditions...
True.
I was only correcting the statement that S63 is cheaper then GT63S in Germany
Ok, I see now that i compared to the S-class coupe, but thats also in my opinion the S-class it should be compared to. The GT is not a sedan and will be marketed as a sort of coupe.
For more than half a decade, you could predict the US base price of an AMG within a couple thousand $ based on the German price, excluding VAT and then converting to dollars. I doubt the GT will be different.
Based on that, my educated speculation says:
AMG GT63S 4-door Edition 1 will retail for $182,060
The GT63S will be $164,036
And the GT63 will be $146,750
And there are more options you can put on an Edition 1 in Germany which will probably just be included in the US Edition 1 with the price increased accordingly. A maxed out Edition 1 with all options on the German site, minus VAT and converted would be well over $200k.
For more than half a decade, you could predict the US base price of an AMG within a couple thousand $ based on the German price, excluding VAT and then converting to dollars. I doubt the GT will be different.
Based on that, my educated speculation says:
AMG GT63S 4-door Edition 1 will retail for $180,125
The GT63S will be $163,280
And the GT63 will be $146,750
And there are more options you can put on an Edition 1 in Germany which will probably just be included in the US Edition 1 with the price increased accordingly. A maxed out Edition 1 with all options on the German site, minus VAT and converted would be well over $200k.
I haven't found that to be the case. Simply deduct VAT and you are close unless MBUSA doesn't think they can pull off the price. Here is the example of the E63s Edition 1 as spec'd in the US. Cost as configured was $166,695 Euro. Take off VAT and you'll be at 135,022 Euro.
The US price was virtually the same with US $135,000 (sans $995 delivery). No speculation, just a simple side by side price comparo... This was the same on our prior S-Class and SL configs...
Then based on the German configurator a fully loaded GT63S will be $212k since you can option one to $265k Euro.
Panamera Turbo S has more power, more luxury(executive) and is a hybrid with all the benefits of such.
At average over $200k it sits at dealers and is not moving, GT63S at like prices will be sales proof also.
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