E63S VS M5 Quality
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E63S VS M5 Quality
HI guys its time for me to change my c220 w205 to something more fun. I have been a die hard Mercedes fan but recently some issues have made me rethink my choices. For example, interior quality in my W205 is horrible squeaked when you press the center console and around the whole cabin in general. I feel like a
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golf has a higher “Quality” interior. It's not as pretty but it feels solid to the touch. Recently I went by a Mercedes dealership, and they didn't have a E63S, but they had a E400 and to me it didn't feel like the quality that a 120.000 € car should have. it still squeaked when pressed moderately hard. After that I went to a BMW dealership and I was really impressed, at first glance the interior is not as flashy but the quality and the minor details that are put in place just make the car feel well though out and premium. So my question is for you fine gentlemen with E63S how dose your interior quality feel, I know it looks premium but dose it
feel
premium? And also since I will be driving this car in Bulgaria and most of the roads here are horrible, how hard is the suspension if anyone could compare it to a W205 with the AMG Sport package and Shocks.
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golf has a higher “Quality” interior. It's not as pretty but it feels solid to the touch. Recently I went by a Mercedes dealership, and they didn't have a E63S, but they had a E400 and to me it didn't feel like the quality that a 120.000 € car should have. it still squeaked when pressed moderately hard. After that I went to a BMW dealership and I was really impressed, at first glance the interior is not as flashy but the quality and the minor details that are put in place just make the car feel well though out and premium. So my question is for you fine gentlemen with E63S how dose your interior quality feel, I know it looks premium but dose it
feel
premium? And also since I will be driving this car in Bulgaria and most of the roads here are horrible, how hard is the suspension if anyone could compare it to a W205 with the AMG Sport package and Shocks.
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I have had the pleasure of owning 2 BMWs - both M cars, and both of their interiors rattled and squeaked. BMW's interior quality is not better than Mercedes; at best, maybe the same. If interior quality has top priority on your list, I would recommend checking out Porsche.
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I do think BMW uses better materials (except wood trim) than Mercedes. The Mercedes interior looks more premium because it has a much nicer design. Also the air vents are a lot more premium than the plastic rectangular ones BMW uses. However with the exception of the air vents and the matte wood trim, the BMW interior is more premium. Better materials throughout, and a much more solid feel.
Another aspect is full leather. The M5 is offered in full leather. Mercedes doesn't know what that is.
Another aspect is full leather. The M5 is offered in full leather. Mercedes doesn't know what that is.
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I do think BMW uses better materials (except wood trim) than Mercedes. The Mercedes interior looks more premium because it has a much nicer design. Also the air vents are a lot more premium than the plastic rectangular ones BMW uses. However with the exception of the air vents and the matte wood trim, the BMW interior is more premium. Better materials throughout, and a much more solid feel.
Another aspect is full leather. The M5 is offered in full leather. Mercedes doesn't know what that is.
Another aspect is full leather. The M5 is offered in full leather. Mercedes doesn't know what that is.
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I do think BMW uses better materials (except wood trim) than Mercedes. The Mercedes interior looks more premium because it has a much nicer design. Also the air vents are a lot more premium than the plastic rectangular ones BMW uses. However with the exception of the air vents and the matte wood trim, the BMW interior is more premium. Better materials throughout, and a much more solid feel.
Another aspect is full leather. The M5 is offered in full leather. Mercedes doesn't know what that is.
Another aspect is full leather. The M5 is offered in full leather. Mercedes doesn't know what that is.
I have to agree here as well. The E may appear to have the nicer interior but the F90 M and even the F10 M5 had more supple amenities as a whole. Further, the functionality of the I drive and tech is much better than the Comand operations.
To address the OP's question about road feel in relation to horrible roads; you will not enjoy the E63S in these circumstances. I have been a supporter of the more taut and less forgiving E63S suspension but with the caveat of having relatively well paved roads where I reside. The M will suck up the unevens much much better with the way its dampers and springs operate in unison.
Edit: noticed you asked about a W205 which I had too (C63S) and that car was arguably more stiff than the E63S because of the spring/damper set up vs the Air Body Control system in the E. The M5 will be even better for you.
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That said in Europe you may be able to order the car with 19" wheels which may help. We are only offered 20s in the US.
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Agree with Vic above. The ride quality on the Benz is harsh. It's worse than my Porsche 911. The E63's handling is amazingly good but it comes at a cost.
That said in Europe you may be able to order the car with 19" wheels which may help. We are only offered 20s in the US.
That said in Europe you may be able to order the car with 19" wheels which may help. We are only offered 20s in the US.
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There is no comfort mode in the Turbo S per se- its either normal or Sport mode for suspension and even in sport mode its much better than the E63S in comfort. As I have swapped modes in the E63S, I have found there is not much variation.
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i don't know why AMG needed to stiff up so much the car. comparing to M5 it seems the profile on the tires is 40/35 aggainst 35/30 in the E63S. so a lot of tunning in the suspension and tires for getting the handling to this point :/
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yeah, i was referring to Turbo S normal mode vs E63S comfort. Turbo S afaik has normal, sport, sport+ and individual. E63S has comfort, sport, sport+, race, individual and drift.
i don't know why AMG needed to stiff up so much the car. comparing to M5 it seems the profile on the tires is 40/35 aggainst 35/30 in the E63S. so a lot of tunning in the suspension and tires for getting the handling to this point :/
i don't know why AMG needed to stiff up so much the car. comparing to M5 it seems the profile on the tires is 40/35 aggainst 35/30 in the E63S. so a lot of tunning in the suspension and tires for getting the handling to this point :/
For the E63S there are 3 modes of dampening: Comfort, Sport, and Sport Plus. The modes you mentioned are not just for suspension but cover other parts of the driving dynamics like engine response, steering, exhaust.
I think we are on the same page but just wanted to clarify that with Porsche there are only 2 settings that we can manipulate from a dampening level.
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I really don't think the ride is that bad anymore, maybe it just takes a while to loosen up or something, I'm up to 11,500 miles on mine and just put new tires on it and it seems to ride even better now. I run 34 psi in the rear and 40 in the fronts. I run the Michelin SS plus 4 tires, not cheap at 360 a pop, but worth it, the car handles so good.
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I really don't think the ride is that bad anymore, maybe it just takes a while to loosen up or something, I'm up to 11,500 miles on mine and just put new tires on it and it seems to ride even better now. I run 34 psi in the rear and 40 in the fronts. I run the Michelin SS plus 4 tires, not cheap at 360 a pop, but worth it, the car handles so good.
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Yes, that's what meant the 4S tires, same ones I had on the car from the factory, maybe the newer ones are a little softer or something because my ride back from the dealer just a while ago was even smoother than the car was before.
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Venice Florida, with no 100F swings and total disregard of maintenance by Chicago/Illinois decision makers, has roads that allow you to appreciate the stiff E63 much better then the poor shlobs (like myself) stuck in this place.
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I live in Rhode Island also and the roads here are not that great. Especially the main road my house is off. I dunno maybe you just get use to it. They gave me a gla suv loaner at the dealer the other day and I thought my amg rode much better than that. The e 300 they have given me in the past rides a little better than my amg.
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I have to agree here as well. The E may appear to have the nicer interior but the F90 M and even the F10 M5 had more supple amenities as a whole. Further, the functionality of the I drive and tech is much better than the Comand operations.
To address the OP's question about road feel in relation to horrible roads; you will not enjoy the E63S in these circumstances. I have been a supporter of the more taut and less forgiving E63S suspension but with the caveat of having relatively well paved roads where I reside. The M will suck up the unevens much much better with the way its dampers and springs operate in unison.
Edit: noticed you asked about a W205 which I had too (C63S) and that car was arguably more stiff than the E63S because of the spring/damper set up vs the Air Body Control system in the E. The M5 will be even better for you.
To address the OP's question about road feel in relation to horrible roads; you will not enjoy the E63S in these circumstances. I have been a supporter of the more taut and less forgiving E63S suspension but with the caveat of having relatively well paved roads where I reside. The M will suck up the unevens much much better with the way its dampers and springs operate in unison.
Edit: noticed you asked about a W205 which I had too (C63S) and that car was arguably more stiff than the E63S because of the spring/damper set up vs the Air Body Control system in the E. The M5 will be even better for you.
