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Old 11-06-2018, 06:56 PM
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One year anniversery

Received a call and email from my dealer wishing my car a happy birthday, so thought I'd post this.

Happy Birthday E63S!

One year ago today we took delivery of the car and drove away from the factory in Sindelfingen.



Today the car sits at the dealership waiting on a new set of Michelin tires. The Pirellis made it almost 10,000 miles. Fronts were pretty worn at 9750 miles and I think I could have gone maybe 11,000 miles, but coming into the rainy season so was planning on replacing them soon. Just not today. However, Sunday I hit something that punctured the inner sidewall of the right rear tire while ripping up a local mountain road.

Tire went flat pretty much instantly and car had to be put on the flatbed and hauled back to the dealer. So, moving ahead with putting new shoes on all four wheels.

Not the birthday I was hoping for for the car, but on the bright side, I guess in a way it gets four presents for its birthday after-all
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Received a call and email from my dealer wishing my car a happy birthday, so thought I'd post this.

Happy Birthday E63S!

One year ago today we took delivery of the car and drove away from the factory in Sindelfingen.



Today the car sits at the dealership waiting on a new set of Michelin tires. The Pirellis made it almost 10,000 miles. Fronts were pretty worn at 9750 miles and I think I could have gone maybe 11,000 miles, but coming into the rainy season so was planning on replacing them soon. Just not today. However, Sunday I hit something that punctured the inner sidewall of the right rear tire while ripping up a local mountain road.

Tire went flat pretty much instantly and car had to be put on the flatbed and hauled back to the dealer. So, moving ahead with putting new shoes on all four wheels.

Not the birthday I was hoping for for the car, but on the bright side, I guess in a way it gets four presents for its birthday after-all
Congrats! After what seems like a year in which you thoroughly enjoyed the car—including some spirited driving—any issues or insights to share?
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Old 11-06-2018, 09:15 PM
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First insight is to stay out of Arkansas (broken windshield, bad highways in general, etc).

Other than the CEL issue, the car has been performing wonderfully.

As a sport touring car, it eats up the miles and my family loves to ride in it over the other vehicles we use. The ride is stiffer for sure than some of the other vehicles, but generally everyone is happy with the ride.

I have the massage seats, not the performance seats, and both my wife and I are happy with them. In back my daughters like the comfort and fit/finish over the loaner cars we got while the car was in for the CEL, and over the various cars their friends parents use for car pools, etc.

Very happy with the handling. I don't have experience with other performance sedans driven in anger so can't say much more than that. I've driven a 1st gen R8 around Sears Point but it was long enough ago that its hard to make a direct comparison, but I bet the E63S would compare favorably were I to drive them side by side today. At the AMG academy at Laguna Seca, we didn't push any of the other cars hard enough for me to get an impression of how they might compare to the E63S. But given the lap in the GT-R with the pro driver, I don't think it would hold up well against that. That was pretty impressive.

Fuel economy is not great, but I didn't expect it to be. When I do get it out on the highway, I can manage somewhere between 18 and 20 mpg. Around town I struggle to get 12 mpg, mostly because of the very short commute I have and all the hills.

Don't do a lot with the Comand system, works well enough for me. Have been using Apple Car Play more now that Waze is integrated.

Very happy with the Selenite Grey Magno paint. Quite easy to take care of so far. Haven't wrapped anything yet and I'm guessing I probably won't. I do have a few little chips on the front splitter and did get one 0.5 mm pencil tip sized chip on my trip cross country. The chip was right down to the metal, but a little Selenite Grey touch-up paint pretty much took care of that. The touch up paint doesn't have the "magno" finish and the parts counter guy didn't want to sell it to me, said I would need to respray the whole car, more or less. Brought the car in later and said find the touch-up. He did eventually, but agreed, yeah, no need to respray the car for that.

The color is great combined with the magno finish. The same light coating of dust that would make a black car look dirty isn't even noticeable on the Grey magno.

I use the pressure washer to rinse the car, then foam cannon to soap it up. Wash mitt to wash off the soap and whatever dirt was still on the car, rinsing frequently, then final rinse and dry. Have a CR Spotless water filter system and it's pretty easy to dry off the car without worrying about any spots.

All in all, quite happy with the car.
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Congrats. I’m at around a year and two weeks now. I had a similar thing happen on one of my rear tires a month ago or so The dealer repaired it but then a week later the tire gave away. I replaced both rears. Fronts still look pretty good. Just hit 14k miles on the car most of it highway back and fourth to Florida.
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I think it was the canyon carving that did them in. Tire wear was not even across the front tires - though both tires were worn about the same degree. The wear was greater toward the inside of the tire and less on the outside. So when you look at the tire that you can easily see as you walk up to the car, the tires look OK. But if you park the car with the wheels turned one way or the other, then you can see that the wear is progressively more from the outside toward the inside.

Not being a tire alignment savvy guy, I am guessing this is kind of similar to what Ronin observed. But fully admit I haven't a clue.

They want to do an alignment when they put on the new tires and I told the dealer, the car drives quite nicely now and doesn't pull or do anything funky. So, check it, and if it's still at factory settings, don't dink with it.

Looking forward to trying the Michelins.
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Nice, I got an annulment with mine cause I cheated with an F90 M5.
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You will find the car drives much smoother and handles even better with the Michelin’s. That’s been my experience between the two tires.
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Great update... how have your CCB so far? Good to hear you are cracking the whip in canyon drives too.
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CCBs have been great.

I hated having to pull over and stop without cooling the brakes after the flat tire. But I had been pushing pretty hard so using a fair bit of brakes even up hill. But given it was on the up hill run the brakes weren't as heated as they would have been on the down hill run.

Hoping to get the car back tomorrow and try out the new treads.
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Congrats! My first year of ownership is coming up soon too. Let us know the differences you notice from the Pirellis to the Michelins.
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I'm on 4 months - of my car being at the VPC! Hopefully all those seagull turds from the Baltimore VPC will easily wash off since I also got the gray magno paint. I have Michelins on my car - likely they are partly square now.

But seriously, congrats! And glad to hear about your experiences with the paint.
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I think it was the canyon carving that did them in. Tire wear was not even across the front tires - though both tires were worn about the same degree. The wear was greater toward the inside of the tire and less on the outside. So when you look at the tire that you can easily see as you walk up to the car, the tires look OK. But if you park the car with the wheels turned one way or the other, then you can see that the wear is progressively more from the outside toward the inside.

Not being a tire alignment savvy guy, I am guessing this is kind of similar to what Ronin observed. But fully admit I haven't a clue.
it is a problem with the E63S. the alignment is made towards the inside to get more traction on corners and that eats a lot of tire. I wonder why AMG had to do this when comparing to the new M5. M5 seems to handle even better and is not so hard on tires.
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Picked up the car today. Only had a chance to drive it from the dealer back to my office, but initial observation is that the ride was a little better and the road noise reduced somewhat.

Probably won't get a chance to test out handling till after T-day as I have a trip coming up.

They did a 4-wheel alignment and adjusted camber slightly on the front. Was out on both front tires. Spec is -1.90 +/- 0.30 deg and my left was -1.20 and the right was -1.75. The other numbers seemed pretty close.

The service department opened a case for the CEL and uploaded the data from various modules and cleared codes, but took no further action at this time per my request.
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They did a 4-wheel alignment and adjusted camber slightly on the front. Was out on both front tires. Spec is -1.90 +/- 0.30 deg and my left was -1.20 and the right was -1.75. The other numbers seemed pretty close.
That seems strange. Your car had less front camber than spec but still wore out the inside? I just looked at my front tires (8.5k miles) and the wear is fairly even across. Slightly more on the inside but nothing excessive.
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Also, 1.9 deg of camber seem like a lot. I have no idea what the alignment specs are though.
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Also, 1.9 deg of camber seem like a lot. I have no idea what the alignment specs are though.
Spec, according to the work order receipt, is -1.90 deg +/- 0.30 deg.

Don't know what percentage of wear was generated during canyon carving and just tooling around driving normal. I suspect a run up/down the mountain, which is about 14 miles round trip, is probably good for a few hundred regular road miles, as I'm pulling a fair fraction of a lateral G quite a bit of the time compared to pretty much nothing just driving along on the highway.
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Spec, according to the work order receipt, is -1.90 deg +/- 0.30 deg.

Don't know what percentage of wear was generated during canyon carving and just tooling around driving normal. I suspect a run up/down the mountain, which is about 14 miles round trip, is probably good for a few hundred regular road miles, as I'm pulling a fair fraction of a lateral G quite a bit of the time compared to pretty much nothing just driving along on the highway.
My friends E63S was in spec (checked after) and he had abnormal inside wear too- he his belts showing but the outers were fine. I think his canyon driving hurt his wear too.
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The more aggressive cornering you do, the more camber you should need. So this would cause the outside of the tire to wear more (if you don't have enough camber). That's why race cars generally have a lot of camber, so the contact patch is maximized during cornering. Normal tooling around will cause more wear on the inside.
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Spec, according to the work order receipt, is -1.90 deg +/- 0.30 deg.

Don't know what percentage of wear was generated during canyon carving and just tooling around driving normal. I suspect a run up/down the mountain, which is about 14 miles round trip, is probably good for a few hundred regular road miles, as I'm pulling a fair fraction of a lateral G quite a bit of the time compared to pretty much nothing just driving along on the highway.
Was your front toe off? What tire pressure do you run?
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Sorry, correction needed as I wasn't reading the page correctly. The numbers and spec I gave previously were for the rear tires, which didn't seem worn as badly, either for total depth or outside to inside.

The camber numbers for the front tires were in spec. The front camber (with Toe 0) was -2.04 deg for the left front and -1.80 deg for the right front.
Spec is -1.95 deg +/- 0.35 deg for the left front and -1.90 deg +/- 0.35 deg for the right. Why the spec would be different for left and right I have no idea - road crown maybe?

My cars Toe was 0 deg 14' total (pressed), 0 deg 05' left, and 0 deg 09' right.
Spec is given as: 0 deg 15' total +/- 0 deg 14', and 0 deg 07' +/- 0 deg 05' each for left and right.

I usually run 41 psi front, 33 psi rear, per the data plate on the gas cap door.
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Sorry, correction needed as I wasn't reading the page correctly. The numbers and spec I gave previously were for the rear tires, which didn't seem worn as badly, either for total depth or outside to inside.

The camber numbers for the front tires were in spec. The front camber (with Toe 0) was -2.04 deg for the left front and -1.80 deg for the right front.
Spec is -1.95 deg +/- 0.35 deg for the left front and -1.90 deg +/- 0.35 deg for the right. Why the spec would be different for left and right I have no idea - road crown maybe?

My cars Toe was 0 deg 14' total (pressed), 0 deg 05' left, and 0 deg 09' right.
Spec is given as: 0 deg 15' total +/- 0 deg 14', and 0 deg 07' +/- 0 deg 05' each for left and right.

I usually run 41 psi front, 33 psi rear, per the data plate on the gas cap door.
I observed the same exact tire wear as you, only at 17k miles on Michelins, using the same tire pressure. The mileage difference is likely partly the tires themselves and driving conditions.

Friends, please check the wear on the inner edge of your front tires. With the car stopped (you’d be surprised) turn the wheels all of the way to the left and have a look. My left front was corded on the very inner edge. The right front wasn’t far behind, which makes sense because it has a little less camber, and most of the highway ramps I take at ludicrous speeds are righthanders
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