2019 E53 disgrace — 130mph top speed electronically limited in US
02-07-2019, 02:02 PM
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“True” AMG is a term that you’ve invented and you’ve heard others use. It’s an abstraction. Mercedes doesn’t use the term “True AMG.”
Why can’t you distinguish between fact and opinion? You are trying to prove a judgment call. You are trying to prove a pass interference call.
I am communicating what you see with your own eyes. The AMG E53 is a branded AMG car. It’s plain and simple. If you don’t like it, then fine. You don’t have to like the E53 or this discussion. But you cannot prove that it’s some kind of second class AMG car merely because you reference the fact that somebody didn’t sign his name on the engine.
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02-07-2019, 02:35 PM
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Let’s not get into a discussion that includes “Why do you need to go faster than 130mph.”
”Need” is a subjective word; and when we buy toys like performance cars, we buy them because we “want” them.
I want to go faster than 130mph. Where I do it and how I do it is my business.
Our Ferraris and Porsches aren’t limited at all; our AMG 63 cars have very high top speed limiters; why should the AMG E53 be limited to 130mph?
I was thinking to purchase an E53 Sedan and take European delivery. Anyone who has enjoyed driving in Germany (as I have) knows that 130mph is merely a modest cruise speed. Actually I like to cruise at 145 conditions permitting. During spirited driving I was bouncing off the 155 electronic speed limiter in my 2003 SL55 many years ago.
Let’s not talk about break-in period, either. I plan on breaking in the car correctly in just 2 days. It’s a 2-day marathon of break-in driving and then a trip to the service center for an engine oil change.
Anyway, forget it.
With a 130mph top speed limiter, I won’t do it. What a disgrace that an AMG car (with 9 speeds!!!) like the E53 doesn’t make it to at least 155mph.
What is going on here?
Unauthorized use of a software tool to remove the electronic speed limiter establishes a risk toward voiding the manufacturer warranty, no? For me, that’s not a risk worth taking.
Thoughts? Why is Mercedes doing this?
”Need” is a subjective word; and when we buy toys like performance cars, we buy them because we “want” them.
I want to go faster than 130mph. Where I do it and how I do it is my business.
Our Ferraris and Porsches aren’t limited at all; our AMG 63 cars have very high top speed limiters; why should the AMG E53 be limited to 130mph?
I was thinking to purchase an E53 Sedan and take European delivery. Anyone who has enjoyed driving in Germany (as I have) knows that 130mph is merely a modest cruise speed. Actually I like to cruise at 145 conditions permitting. During spirited driving I was bouncing off the 155 electronic speed limiter in my 2003 SL55 many years ago.
Let’s not talk about break-in period, either. I plan on breaking in the car correctly in just 2 days. It’s a 2-day marathon of break-in driving and then a trip to the service center for an engine oil change.
Anyway, forget it.
With a 130mph top speed limiter, I won’t do it. What a disgrace that an AMG car (with 9 speeds!!!) like the E53 doesn’t make it to at least 155mph.
What is going on here?
Unauthorized use of a software tool to remove the electronic speed limiter establishes a risk toward voiding the manufacturer warranty, no? For me, that’s not a risk worth taking.
Thoughts? Why is Mercedes doing this?
I've been downvoted and banned from reddit /r/cars for talking about driving fast on an empty public highway at night for being a "reckless idiot".
I kind of disagree with the E53 + E43 overall. Why dilute the best of the best (aka 63 AMGs)? It seems like a poser car to me. But, is that the wrong mindset here?
02-07-2019, 02:51 PM
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This is not entirely true. I have a E300 with a custom tune, and the top speed even lowered itself from 130mph to now 128mph. Whereas I assumed I would have the electronic speed governor removed. Apparently since I reach the triple digits a lot faster now due to the torque #'s being a lot higher. As it sits there is no fix for our low top speed on the W213 non E63.
02-07-2019, 03:21 PM
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Let’s not get into a discussion that includes “Why do you need to go faster than 130mph.”
”Need” is a subjective word; and when we buy toys like performance cars, we buy them because we “want” them.
I want to go faster than 130mph. Where I do it and how I do it is my business.
Our Ferraris and Porsches aren’t limited at all; our AMG 63 cars have very high top speed limiters; why should the AMG E53 be limited to 130mph?
I was thinking to purchase an E53 Sedan and take European delivery. Anyone who has enjoyed driving in Germany (as I have) knows that 130mph is merely a modest cruise speed. Actually I like to cruise at 145 conditions permitting. During spirited driving I was bouncing off the 155 electronic speed limiter in my 2003 SL55 many years ago.
Let’s not talk about break-in period, either. I plan on breaking in the car correctly in just 2 days. It’s a 2-day marathon of break-in driving and then a trip to the service center for an engine oil change.
Anyway, forget it.
With a 130mph top speed limiter, I won’t do it. What a disgrace that an AMG car (with 9 speeds!!!) like the E53 doesn’t make it to at least 155mph.
What is going on here?
Unauthorized use of a software tool to remove the electronic speed limiter establishes a risk toward voiding the manufacturer warranty, no? For me, that’s not a risk worth taking.
Thoughts? Why is Mercedes doing this?
”Need” is a subjective word; and when we buy toys like performance cars, we buy them because we “want” them.
I want to go faster than 130mph. Where I do it and how I do it is my business.
Our Ferraris and Porsches aren’t limited at all; our AMG 63 cars have very high top speed limiters; why should the AMG E53 be limited to 130mph?
I was thinking to purchase an E53 Sedan and take European delivery. Anyone who has enjoyed driving in Germany (as I have) knows that 130mph is merely a modest cruise speed. Actually I like to cruise at 145 conditions permitting. During spirited driving I was bouncing off the 155 electronic speed limiter in my 2003 SL55 many years ago.
Let’s not talk about break-in period, either. I plan on breaking in the car correctly in just 2 days. It’s a 2-day marathon of break-in driving and then a trip to the service center for an engine oil change.
Anyway, forget it.
With a 130mph top speed limiter, I won’t do it. What a disgrace that an AMG car (with 9 speeds!!!) like the E53 doesn’t make it to at least 155mph.
What is going on here?
Unauthorized use of a software tool to remove the electronic speed limiter establishes a risk toward voiding the manufacturer warranty, no? For me, that’s not a risk worth taking.
Thoughts? Why is Mercedes doing this?
02-07-2019, 03:33 PM
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02-07-2019, 03:35 PM
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02-07-2019, 03:56 PM
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I wish the E53/CLS had a bigger bark at startup.. but they do drive well, pull well
02-07-2019, 04:02 PM
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I tried to use my law degree education to point out the difference between AMG Enhanced and Handcrafted but the OP has his OR HER (as the case may be since he she said not a dude) own thoughts about what an AMG is or is not.
AMG=Aufrecht Melcher Grossapach. A couple of names and a town. LOL
AMG=Aufrecht Melcher Grossapach. A couple of names and a town. LOL
02-07-2019, 04:08 PM
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Thanks to the select few for hijacking my thread.
You can all all pile on the hatred and the nastiness if you want. But you’ve hijacked the thread and have not contributed to answering my question. Other people are also interested in exploring the question. I’d say you ought to have better things to do than to bully me. I won’t be bullied.
My Ivy League education doesn’t qualify me any more to speak on this topic then a law degree qualifies somebody else. Experience qualifies. And so does the standard decency of allowing someone the prerogative to create a thread and stick to topic.
You can all all pile on the hatred and the nastiness if you want. But you’ve hijacked the thread and have not contributed to answering my question. Other people are also interested in exploring the question. I’d say you ought to have better things to do than to bully me. I won’t be bullied.
My Ivy League education doesn’t qualify me any more to speak on this topic then a law degree qualifies somebody else. Experience qualifies. And so does the standard decency of allowing someone the prerogative to create a thread and stick to topic.
02-07-2019, 04:13 PM
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Keep it coming. Or just step aside and quit associating yourself with the mob mentality by bullying me for the purpose of amusing yourself and others. Your contributions to this thread absolutely stink. Give it a rest. Try not being so mean-spirited.
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02-07-2019, 04:22 PM
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all I know is when I go to the AMG site and list vehicles it lists all those in question...
Which kinda makes it a AMG per MBUSA....
SO back to original question..
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02-07-2019, 04:30 PM
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02-07-2019, 04:34 PM
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as long as I get the free AMG track day (AMG Driving Academy, $1900 value), its an AMG 
02-07-2019, 05:41 PM
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As usual, any discussion of 43 or 53 models bring up the same feelings on both sides.
To me, anything that gets branded as an AMG by AMG is an AMG. Simple as that. The engine doesn't have to be hand-built to make it an AMG. That was introduced as a differentiator at one point in time but is not a deciding factor to make the car a "true" AMG. Marketing meets modern manufacturing.
Most AMG's are assembled in regular MB production lines, along with their non-AMG counterparts. Not in Afalterbach. Same with the arguably more expensive AMG GT63s 4 door which is build along with CLS's in Stuttgart or SL63's in Bremen.
Some could say that the AMG GT53 4 door is more of an AMG than the E63s since the car is an actual AMG design (vs a modified standard MB model), similar to the AMG GT and SLS before. But then this is what AMG was all along; a tuner of production MB's
To me, anything that gets branded as an AMG by AMG is an AMG. Simple as that. The engine doesn't have to be hand-built to make it an AMG. That was introduced as a differentiator at one point in time but is not a deciding factor to make the car a "true" AMG. Marketing meets modern manufacturing.
Most AMG's are assembled in regular MB production lines, along with their non-AMG counterparts. Not in Afalterbach. Same with the arguably more expensive AMG GT63s 4 door which is build along with CLS's in Stuttgart or SL63's in Bremen.
Some could say that the AMG GT53 4 door is more of an AMG than the E63s since the car is an actual AMG design (vs a modified standard MB model), similar to the AMG GT and SLS before. But then this is what AMG was all along; a tuner of production MB's
02-07-2019, 05:45 PM
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As usual, any discussion of 43 or 53 models bring up the same feelings on both sides.
To me, anything that gets branded as an AMG by AMG is an AMG. Simple as that. The engine doesn't have to be hand-built to make it an AMG. That was introduced as a differentiator at one point in time but is not a deciding factor to make the car a "true" AMG. Marketing meets modern manufacturing.
Most AMG's are assembled in regular MB production lines, along with their non-AMG counterparts. Not in Afalterbach. Same with the arguably more expensive AMG GT63s 4 door which is build along with CLS's in Stuttgart or SL63's in Bremen.
Some could say that the AMG GT53 4 door is more of an AMG than the E63s since the car is an actual AMG design (vs a modified standard MB model), similar to the AMG GT and SLS before. But then this is what AMG was all along; a tuner of production MB's
To me, anything that gets branded as an AMG by AMG is an AMG. Simple as that. The engine doesn't have to be hand-built to make it an AMG. That was introduced as a differentiator at one point in time but is not a deciding factor to make the car a "true" AMG. Marketing meets modern manufacturing.
Most AMG's are assembled in regular MB production lines, along with their non-AMG counterparts. Not in Afalterbach. Same with the arguably more expensive AMG GT63s 4 door which is build along with CLS's in Stuttgart or SL63's in Bremen.
Some could say that the AMG GT53 4 door is more of an AMG than the E63s since the car is an actual AMG design (vs a modified standard MB model), similar to the AMG GT and SLS before. But then this is what AMG was all along; a tuner of production MB's
My biggest qualm with this is history.
Historically speaking, there has always been the one top AMG model, right? Like you had your bull**** consumer E350, E550, yada yada, and then you had the top dog E63 model.
I think it is a clear as day argument everybody can agree to (because it's statistically true) that watering down the brand with 3 "AMG" models versus 1 allows a bunch of people who don't have a 600-700hp daily driver to feel like they are part of the club when they aren't.
When I see a Mustang 5.0 on the road, I know it can't beat me even if it is relatively modded if I am in an E63. When I see a Mustang 5.0 and I'm in my E43, I'd be pretty sure I lose. Now that waters down the respect factor of the brand in my eyes. Not that AMG should represent who has the biggest dick in a hypothetical street race, but somewhere in the gray area of prestige. If there was some exclusive island only billionaires could get to, but then they opened the gates to millionaires, you might get some pushback from the billionaires saying "why are these people who are less rich than me allowed to partake in the same amenities that I am?" However, a $20k difference between AMG models is no where near the same as a millionaire vs billionaire difference and I am being dramatic lol
E43 and E53 are "AMG-lite" because of their power output. AMG used to represent "crazy wild power". Now it represents 3 stages: bull**** (E43), on the way there (E53), and the thing that has been being sold and marketed as flagship for the past however many years (E63).
Does this change you view at all or am I 100% just talking out of my *** about **** I don't know about at all?
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02-07-2019, 05:52 PM
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> To me, anything that gets branded as an AMG by AMG is an AMG. Simple as that.
My biggest qualm with this is history.
Historically speaking, there has always been the one top AMG model, right? Like you had your bull**** consumer E350, E550, yada yada, and then you had the top dog E63 model.
I think it is a clear as day argument everybody can agree to (because it's statistically true) that watering down the brand with 3 "AMG" models allows a bunch of people who don't have a 600-700hp daily driver to feel like they are part of the club when they aren't. When I see a Mustang 5.0 on the road, I know it can't beat me even if it is relatively modded. When I see a Mustang 5.0 and I'm in my E43, I'd be pretty sure I lose.
E43 and E53 are "AMG-lite" because of their power output. AMG used to represent "crazy wild power". Now it represents 3 stages: bull**** (E43), on the way there (E53), and the thing that has been being sold and marketed as flagship for the past however many years (E63).
Does this change you view at all or am I 100% just talking out of my *** about **** I don't know about at all?
My biggest qualm with this is history.
Historically speaking, there has always been the one top AMG model, right? Like you had your bull**** consumer E350, E550, yada yada, and then you had the top dog E63 model.
I think it is a clear as day argument everybody can agree to (because it's statistically true) that watering down the brand with 3 "AMG" models allows a bunch of people who don't have a 600-700hp daily driver to feel like they are part of the club when they aren't. When I see a Mustang 5.0 on the road, I know it can't beat me even if it is relatively modded. When I see a Mustang 5.0 and I'm in my E43, I'd be pretty sure I lose.
E43 and E53 are "AMG-lite" because of their power output. AMG used to represent "crazy wild power". Now it represents 3 stages: bull**** (E43), on the way there (E53), and the thing that has been being sold and marketed as flagship for the past however many years (E63).
Does this change you view at all or am I 100% just talking out of my *** about **** I don't know about at all?
02-07-2019, 05:54 PM
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But also... say you spend $120k on an M5. Now you've got a guy with a debadged 550i with an ///M badge right next to you. That doesn't bother you? People posing to have the more expensive car but not paying the more expensive amount? It's the definition of fraud/scamster. Like a fake Rolex, fake Louis Vuitton purse. Do you not care about any of that ****?
A Honda Civic deserves the same respect as a Honda Civic SI, right?
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02-07-2019, 06:05 PM
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I wasn't going to say anything about this, but this post is just too good not to respond to. Notice anything different about the E53 picture? (It's probably an error, but it's funny.)
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02-07-2019, 06:10 PM
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Not only that. Hypothetically, if AMG sells more E43s and E53s, they can use the profits to benefit the research + development of the model true enthusiasts actually care about: the E63.
But also... say you spend $120k on an M5. Now you've got a guy with a debadged 550i with an ///M badge right next to you. That doesn't bother you? People posing to have the more expensive car but not paying the more expensive amount? It's the definition of fraud/scamster. Like a fake Rolex, fake Louis Vuitton purse. Do you not care about any of that ****?
But also... say you spend $120k on an M5. Now you've got a guy with a debadged 550i with an ///M badge right next to you. That doesn't bother you? People posing to have the more expensive car but not paying the more expensive amount? It's the definition of fraud/scamster. Like a fake Rolex, fake Louis Vuitton purse. Do you not care about any of that ****?
Too many posers in the world... Annoying but reality; no need to waste energy on them.
To me, driving the E63s or an M5 is about personal satisfaction. Great fun to drive, nice to look at and a safe place to be in traffic. A couple of high-speed accidents in Germany will teach you that this is the number one priority.
AMG has become a much more important to Mercedes and their financial success means they have larger budgets to work with. Win-Win in my book.
02-07-2019, 06:11 PM
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Too many posers in the world... Annoying but reality; no need to waste energy on them.
To me, driving the E63s or an M5 is about personal satisfaction. Great fun to drive, nice to look at and a safe place to be in traffic. A couple of high-speed accidents in Germany will teach you that this is the number one priority.
AMG has become a much more important to Mercedes and their financial success means they have larger budgets to work with. Win-Win in my book.
To me, driving the E63s or an M5 is about personal satisfaction. Great fun to drive, nice to look at and a safe place to be in traffic. A couple of high-speed accidents in Germany will teach you that this is the number one priority.
AMG has become a much more important to Mercedes and their financial success means they have larger budgets to work with. Win-Win in my book.
02-07-2019, 06:13 PM
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Your attempt at humor was an awful one because your premise displays utter stupidity. Good humor is based on sound logic and wit. The idea that you would impugn my argument to suggest that I believe that fake badges would qualify a car as an M car or an AMG car is beyond ridiculous. It’s utterly stupid.
Keep it coming. Or just step aside and quit associating yourself with the mob mentality by bullying me for the purpose of amusing yourself and others. Your contributions to this thread absolutely stink. Give it a rest. Try not being so mean-spirited.
What I think everyone is trying to say is that 53 and 43 is just a marketing gimmick for MB and not a real AMG performance car.
Just a watered down E63.
If it was a real AMG it wouldn't be limited to 130!
Anyway, I suggest a tune and it will be your solutions.
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